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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 2060502" data-attributes="member: 259">Just wait till next level when you get a celestial dire bear.&nbsp; Two attacks at +19 means that, without any combat advantages (flanking, prayer, bless, higher ground, etc.), the bear is going to start a grapple attempt against that AC33 bad guy 58% of the time in the first round.&nbsp; Get it flanking, and the chance of initiating a grapple attempt in the first round goes up to 70%.&nbsp;As it is now, an invisible stalker might be able to help you out (although the piddly +14 to grapple makes it mainly a mage-killer--it's not going to be helping you with fighter types).&nbsp;Note that while your cleric gets the dire bear at 15th level, a druid may call on a dire bear at 11th level.&nbsp; Sure, it's not celestial and doesn't come with the DR mod factory-installed, but it starts a grapple just as effectively.&nbsp; &nbsp;At the level where you're summoning 1 dire bear and casting prayer on it, a druid is summoning 1d4+1 dire bears and then casting animal growth on all of them plus her animal companion plus herself.&nbsp; Target those dire bears at our AC33 opponent, and assume they all get flanking, and the chances that every single one of them will miss become negligible (if I'm doing my math right, there's 0.6% chance that three such dire bears will all miss with their claw attacks in a single round).&nbsp;Yeah, druids can do the summoning thing pretty well.Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 2060502, member: 259"] Just wait till next level when you get a celestial dire bear. Two attacks at +19 means that, without any combat advantages (flanking, prayer, bless, higher ground, etc.), the bear is going to start a grapple attempt against that AC33 bad guy 58% of the time in the first round. Get it flanking, and the chance of initiating a grapple attempt in the first round goes up to 70%. As it is now, an invisible stalker might be able to help you out (although the piddly +14 to grapple makes it mainly a mage-killer--it's not going to be helping you with fighter types). Note that while your cleric gets the dire bear at 15th level, a druid may call on a dire bear at 11th level. Sure, it's not celestial and doesn't come with the DR mod factory-installed, but it starts a grapple just as effectively. At the level where you're summoning 1 dire bear and casting prayer on it, a druid is summoning 1d4+1 dire bears and then casting animal growth on all of them plus her animal companion plus herself. Target those dire bears at our AC33 opponent, and assume they all get flanking, and the chances that every single one of them will miss become negligible (if I'm doing my math right, there's 0.6% chance that three such dire bears will all miss with their claw attacks in a single round). Yeah, druids can do the summoning thing pretty well. Daniel [/QUOTE]

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