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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 2969088" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>Cut & Paste when it is obvious that others are not understanding what you are trying to say isn't always the most effective means to clarify your position.</p><p></p><p>From your later comments I was able to go back and see what you were trying to say. That doesn't mean that it didn't confuse me (and from the responses, others) when you first said it. And there is a very real difference between misunderstanding and intentionally misrepresenting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, I described what I do when starting a campaign, and it includes multiple adventure sites from the get-go, and multiple choices at every turn. The idea that one must be trying to cover up some sin because one seeks a fair and reasonable definition is a bit questionable.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">I haVe found that the best games I run begin with me begining an area with a lot of possible adventures, a strong adventure hook for a "big" dungeon that the PCs know they cannot tackle starting out, and a strong adventure hook for a "maiden voyage" adventure. But the area is literally seeded so that the PCs can go in any direction and seek out something. This is, IMHO, one of the real draws of the Wilderlands setting -- PCs can wander about, involving themselves in all sorts of things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, that's exactly what I tried to do..... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /> </p><p></p><p>You know, for someone who's worried about people putting words into his mouth, you seem awfully willing to do it yourself. So what is this, then, misunderstanding or intentional misrepresentation?</p><p></p><p>If one wants to see a classic example of a strawman, one need go no farther than post 135 (<a href="http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=2960712&postcount=135):" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=2960712&postcount=135):</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll grant that I misread you, and that as a result I misrepresented your opinion. For which I have apologized. More than once. And I meant it.</p><p></p><p>But, I hope you understand why I view your above statements as slightly hypocritical.</p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 2969088, member: 18280"] Cut & Paste when it is obvious that others are not understanding what you are trying to say isn't always the most effective means to clarify your position. From your later comments I was able to go back and see what you were trying to say. That doesn't mean that it didn't confuse me (and from the responses, others) when you first said it. And there is a very real difference between misunderstanding and intentionally misrepresenting. Actually, I described what I do when starting a campaign, and it includes multiple adventure sites from the get-go, and multiple choices at every turn. The idea that one must be trying to cover up some sin because one seeks a fair and reasonable definition is a bit questionable. [INDENT]I haVe found that the best games I run begin with me begining an area with a lot of possible adventures, a strong adventure hook for a "big" dungeon that the PCs know they cannot tackle starting out, and a strong adventure hook for a "maiden voyage" adventure. But the area is literally seeded so that the PCs can go in any direction and seek out something. This is, IMHO, one of the real draws of the Wilderlands setting -- PCs can wander about, involving themselves in all sorts of things.[/INDENT] Yeah, that's exactly what I tried to do..... :confused: :uhoh: You know, for someone who's worried about people putting words into his mouth, you seem awfully willing to do it yourself. So what is this, then, misunderstanding or intentional misrepresentation? If one wants to see a classic example of a strawman, one need go no farther than post 135 ([url]http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=2960712&postcount=135):[/url] I'll grant that I misread you, and that as a result I misrepresented your opinion. For which I have apologized. More than once. And I meant it. But, I hope you understand why I view your above statements as slightly hypocritical. RC [/QUOTE]
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