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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5017372" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, the problem is before it was just the be-all and end-all option for all two-weapon fighting characters pretty much. Now the situation is more like there are still specific character builds that can utilize them, but there are other valid choices out there. Double sword and Urgrosh in particular were a bit too good. DS is still a good choice for say a Melee focused Beastmaster or some rogue builds. Urgrosh is still good if you want to romp with RoB (still not a bad option even if it has lost some of its luster) etc. In general the real utility of these things now is the ability to treat them as 2h weapons. A character can have a double axe, use it like a nice Waraxe, and then whip off a Dual Strike with it. As for a tempest fighter with one of these? Well, he's probably mostly making single weapon attacks, so just use the off end of the weapon. Its now more of an option to let you deal an occasional dual weapon attack vs the ultimate cheesy weapon.Honestly though I do think they should have left the main end of the double sword 1d8.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5017372, member: 82106"] Yeah, the problem is before it was just the be-all and end-all option for all two-weapon fighting characters pretty much. Now the situation is more like there are still specific character builds that can utilize them, but there are other valid choices out there. Double sword and Urgrosh in particular were a bit too good. DS is still a good choice for say a Melee focused Beastmaster or some rogue builds. Urgrosh is still good if you want to romp with RoB (still not a bad option even if it has lost some of its luster) etc. In general the real utility of these things now is the ability to treat them as 2h weapons. A character can have a double axe, use it like a nice Waraxe, and then whip off a Dual Strike with it. As for a tempest fighter with one of these? Well, he's probably mostly making single weapon attacks, so just use the off end of the weapon. Its now more of an option to let you deal an occasional dual weapon attack vs the ultimate cheesy weapon. Honestly though I do think they should have left the main end of the double sword 1d8. [/QUOTE]

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