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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Sessadore" data-source="post: 4574866" data-attributes="member: 57255">Hmmm ... I'm not exactly sure where you're getting your numbers from, aurance. I did the same calculations you did with the same assumptions and got VERY different numbers. Like so:Assuming a 30th level fighter with +8 Str, where a +2 prof weapon gives 45% chance to hit, 50% chance to miss, with the 5% chance to crit. With a +3 prof weapon and fighter weapon talent, this means 55% chance to hit, 40% chance to miss, and 5% crit. With Heavy Blade Mastery, we get 10% crit, 40% hit, 50% miss.[code]Agile Tempest  = +3 damage w/ 2 weapons, +4 with off-hand; +1 attack with off-hand (from Tempest Technique)Weapon Focus   = +3 damagePit Fighter    = +4 damageIron Armbands  = +6 damageMarked Scourge = +4 damageWeapon         = +6 damage-------------------------------------                 +23 2H (+31 with +8 Str)                 +26 tempest                 +27 tempest off-handReaping Strike with Fullblade:0.40 x 31 on miss0.50 x 2d12+31 (avg 44) on hit (range of 33-55)0.10 x 55+3d12+6d8 (avg 101.5) on crit--------------------------12.4 + 22 + 10.15 = 44.55*******************************************Dual Strike with Double Sword:main hand (-1 atk):0.45 x 0 on miss0.45 x 2d8+26 (avg 35) on hit (range of 28-42)0.10 x 42+6d8 (avg 69) on crit--------------------------0 + 15.75 + 6.9 = 22.65Off hand:0.40 x 0 on miss0.50 x 2d8+27 (avg 36) on hit (range of 29-43)0.10 x 43+6d8 (avg 70) on crit--------------------------0 + 18 + 7 = 25Total = 47.65[/code]Notes: - I couldn't find anything that said you do not add static damage to the Miss: damage from reaping strike. And frankly, that's the only way it remains even remotely useful in the epic tier. If this is not the case, then miss damage goes down to 3.6, bringing total damage to 32.9 and putting 2-handers clearly in the dust.- On Double Swords: If you'll kindly look at <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/4562309-post7.html" target="_blank">this</a> post, you'll see that the intent was for one end to be the main, heavy blade end, and the other to be the off-hand, light blade side. I'll assume you take 2xWeapon Focus to make things easier.- Marked Scourge just looks broken to me - let Pit Fighters add 2xWis to every attack? Yeah right, not in my game. But that's not the point of this particular debate, so I included it.- Gave the 2h fighter a Reckless weapon too - with a fullblade (high crit) it makes much more sense than a Bloodclaw weapon. Max crits as much as possible.- I didn't really do any original research for the above, just used pretty much the same stuff aurance did.- I don't have time to work up the Stormwarden's damage. Someone else can do that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />So, with those assumptions, the tempest fighter is ahead by 3.1 DPR. Not a huge difference, if you ask me. And that's with at-wills. Try that out with lvl 29 dailies (there's a 2-hander's daily that does 8[W], you know <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />) I don't think it's anything to be too concerned about. And no, I didn't do Brash Strike with a mordenkrad, but I don't think it'll be too much better. Hammer Rhythm specifically states you don't get any bonuses to the miss damage, so it will be about +8 at the very most.Also, if you decrease the hit chance by 5%, tempest is only ahead by 0.2 DPR. Important to note, since if you're fighting something ahead of your level (like, say, Orcus) your hit chance will go down, which will increase the expected damage of the 2-hander vs. the tempest.</blockquote>

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