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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 4577679" data-attributes="member: 51942">The high-level at-will comparisons are meaningless.  It'll be the first few rounds of combat that really matter (say the first 6?) and generally you'll have enough encounter powers to cover most of that.  In dangerous fights, you'll normally know to use dailies, and you'll be able to use dailies and encounters almost non-stop the entire battle.They're also heavily stacked against two-handed weapon wielders, and in favor of tempests.  It's sorta neutral for the rangers.  As attacks deal more [W], the percent contribution of the [W] die rises.  The tempest happens to have huge static modifiers by virtue of Pit Fighter, Marked Scourge, and his class ability, which makes him shine in this comparison.  These advantages don't scale as well, however.In other words, even when stacked in favor of the tempest, the ranger has a solid lead.  In a fairer comparison, the ranger will pull ahead even further.  Realistically, many rangers will multiclass to fighter for the stances, and many tempest fighters to ranger for the two-handed powers.  With such real life builds being more and more similar, you'd expect the outcome to be more similar - which is just fine.As is, I don't think the tempest - even abusing marked scourge and the double bladed sword as in your examples - are going to break the game.  Sure, a two-handed weapon wielder seems less attractive at the moment - but he hasn't had the advantage of two easily multiclassed builds out, and he was less attractive even before martial power (a PHB greatsword wielder was never a very good build).  Once the barbarian is out, we'll see.</blockquote>

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