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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2880188" data-attributes="member: 29014">Dwarves are a whole other concern--they aren't exactly balanced themselves.&nbsp; However, note that all of those dwarven abilities are only situational useful.&nbsp; +2 Dex is always useful.&nbsp; Also, the dwarves have a substantial penalty in movement speed, though heavy armour makes this vanish.&nbsp; A better comparison is to elves.&nbsp; A Hobgoblin Fighter outclasses an Elven Fighter in incredible ways.&nbsp; +4 Con compared to the elf means many many more HP.&nbsp; Darkvision is more useful than Low-Light except to casters.&nbsp; +4 to one skill is more useful than +2 to two skills (for the same reason that Skill Focus is +3 and the twofers give +2 +2) but the elves get three skills and that secret door thing, which makes up for the gap between Dark and Low-Light.&nbsp; That leaves Immunity to Sleep and +2 vs Enchantments to stand against +4 Con.&nbsp; Not a contest.There would be no reason to play an Elf in this case.&nbsp; Heck, I would make hobgoblin Wizards instead of elves if I could get them for LA +0.&nbsp; +4 more Con is so drastically important for a Wizard that even the elven weapon proficiencies are nothing in comparison.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2880188, member: 29014"] Dwarves are a whole other concern--they aren't exactly balanced themselves. However, note that all of those dwarven abilities are only situational useful. +2 Dex is always useful. Also, the dwarves have a substantial penalty in movement speed, though heavy armour makes this vanish. A better comparison is to elves. A Hobgoblin Fighter outclasses an Elven Fighter in incredible ways. +4 Con compared to the elf means many many more HP. Darkvision is more useful than Low-Light except to casters. +4 to one skill is more useful than +2 to two skills (for the same reason that Skill Focus is +3 and the twofers give +2 +2) but the elves get three skills and that secret door thing, which makes up for the gap between Dark and Low-Light. That leaves Immunity to Sleep and +2 vs Enchantments to stand against +4 Con. Not a contest. There would be no reason to play an Elf in this case. Heck, I would make hobgoblin [I]Wizards[/I] instead of elves if I could get them for LA +0. +4 more Con is so drastically important for a Wizard that even the elven weapon proficiencies are nothing in comparison. [/QUOTE]

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