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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2882210" data-attributes="member: 29014">Rogues need the Con much much more than the weapons, and they get the most mileage from the hobbo skill bonus to boot.  If they want the martial weapons, they can get them and a feat by dipping into Fighter 1 level (remember Fighter is hobgoblin's favoured class).  The elf cannot.Wizards and Sorcerers indeed get a small gain from the new ranged weapon if they are going to be constantly out of spells.  But this disappears completely at high levels, and the Con hit is tremendous.  What do you call a low-level elf wizard?  Dead.  If using point-buy, the hobgoblin's Con bonus will likely even allow the Wizard to hit comfortable Con and Dex and have enough points left to pump plenty of extra Int if he doesn't mind dumping the less-useful stats (same with Cha for sorcs).Clerics, I agree with you as I said before--it could be useful, but Clerics get perhaps the least use from the elf's Dex bonus and +2 enchantment saves.  Druids, not really.  They oddly get a few out-of-place good martial weapons that can hold them over already, and they are likely to start Wildshaping anyway and render both race choices irrelevant.  If they don't Wildshape, they are going to feel that Con pain, though.Monks, like Rogues, are going to die in the front line with an Elf's Con.  Also, except at the barest minimum levels, the monk's fists win out over the sword anyway.The hobgoblin is the clear winner in every case.  Good enough to be LA +1?  No.  They are not.  A point in which I agree with you that I want to reemphasise.</blockquote>

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