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<blockquote data-quote="Brekki" data-source="post: 583942" data-attributes="member: 6617"><p>I think the ECL is ok at +5, as was obvious from my calculation above.</p><p></p><p>The ogre does have +10 on str which is actually only a +9 because any other fighter would have put one the stat bonus from four levels in strength anyway.</p><p>A +9 to strenght is about a +5 on attack and a +7 on damage. Considering the three point loss in BaB this is only a +2 att / +7 damage. Also considering the very poor BaB and little feats the ogre is far later with getting usefull damage feats like Specialization, Improved Critical, Great Cleave, which in part does away with the bonusses in damage.</p><p></p><p>Being virtually unable to have any skills with -4 to int and being locked out of any decisionmaking or negotiations with -4 to cha should count for something.</p><p></p><p>Being large may be an advantage damagewise, and for some spells, if you're talking about equipment it is not pleasant. Everything has to be custom-made, is a lot more expensive, and will probably will not be found in the treasure you loot from the enemies.</p><p></p><p>btw: he does NOT have 40 ft movement</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brekki, post: 583942, member: 6617"] I think the ECL is ok at +5, as was obvious from my calculation above. The ogre does have +10 on str which is actually only a +9 because any other fighter would have put one the stat bonus from four levels in strength anyway. A +9 to strenght is about a +5 on attack and a +7 on damage. Considering the three point loss in BaB this is only a +2 att / +7 damage. Also considering the very poor BaB and little feats the ogre is far later with getting usefull damage feats like Specialization, Improved Critical, Great Cleave, which in part does away with the bonusses in damage. Being virtually unable to have any skills with -4 to int and being locked out of any decisionmaking or negotiations with -4 to cha should count for something. Being large may be an advantage damagewise, and for some spells, if you're talking about equipment it is not pleasant. Everything has to be custom-made, is a lot more expensive, and will probably will not be found in the treasure you loot from the enemies. btw: he does NOT have 40 ft movement [/QUOTE]
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