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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 584258" data-attributes="member: 2198"><p>The way things generally work out is that ECL races start off weak and get more powerful with time.&nbsp; An ogre PC gets +4 to CON which doesn't quite make up for its lesser hit dice to start, but as it gains levels and it gets more hit dice the bonuses start to add up to the point where it surpasses normal characters with the same starting stats.&nbsp; Or consider this: an 8th level fighter has weapon specialization and improved critical, while a 3rd level ogre fighter PC has neither - but the fighter has run out of core feats to improve his chosen weapon, while the ogre is still improving.&nbsp; Add one more level and the ogre can pick up specialization, and it qualifies for improved critical the level after that.Sure.&nbsp; And there are times where being Small is an advantage, but most of the time it is a disadvantage.&nbsp; Being Large means that you can grapple, bullrush, and sunder much better than normal characters, you can use larger weapons that do more damage, you get an attack of opportunity against almost any smaller foe that wants to hit you in melee, you can hit Large foes in melee without suffering an AoO, etc.Going by the latest system, the ogre would have equipment as a 20th level character.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 584258, member: 2198"] The way things generally work out is that ECL races start off weak and get more powerful with time. An ogre PC gets +4 to CON which doesn't quite make up for its lesser hit dice to start, but as it gains levels and it gets more hit dice the bonuses start to add up to the point where it surpasses normal characters with the same starting stats. Or consider this: an 8th level fighter has weapon specialization and improved critical, while a 3rd level ogre fighter PC has neither - but the fighter has run out of core feats to improve his chosen weapon, while the ogre is still improving. Add one more level and the ogre can pick up specialization, and it qualifies for improved critical the level after that.Sure. And there are times where being Small is an advantage, but most of the time it is a disadvantage. Being Large means that you can grapple, bullrush, and sunder much better than normal characters, you can use larger weapons that do more damage, you get an attack of opportunity against almost any smaller foe that wants to hit you in melee, you can hit Large foes in melee without suffering an AoO, etc.Going by the latest system, the ogre would have equipment as a 20th level character. [/QUOTE]

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