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<blockquote data-quote="strongbow" data-source="post: 1651298" data-attributes="member: 2650">I would like someone to elucidate what happens when a template is applied to a vermin that changes the vermin to a magical beast.&nbsp; Per the rules for templates, the vermin becomes type Magical Beast (Augmented Vermin) and acquires the Traits of the new type, while retaining the features of the old type.&nbsp; Look up the features and traits of both types in the MM and you will see that the creature loses the mindless trait (b/c the mindless is a trait of vermin), but what happens to its Int Score? I am writing a module and need to know.Does the creature:&nbsp; Please specify your opinion when replying.1) Have an Int score of (--) dash, and therefore still be mindless b/c of the dash, even though mindless is not one of its traits.2) Have an Int score of (--), but is not mindless3) Have an Int score of 0, is effectively unconscious, and is mindless.&nbsp; If the creature gained enough HD to be entitled to a stat bump, it could have a positive Int score and not be unconscious anymore.4) Have an Int score of 0, is effectively unconscious, and is not mindless. If the creature gained enough HD to be entitled to a stat bump, it could have a positive Int score and not be unconscious anymore.5) Have an Int score of 1, 2, or 3, and is mindless.6) Have an Int score of 1, 2, 3, and is not mindless</blockquote>

[QUOTE="strongbow, post: 1651298, member: 2650"] I would like someone to elucidate what happens when a template is applied to a vermin that changes the vermin to a magical beast. Per the rules for templates, the vermin becomes type Magical Beast (Augmented Vermin) and acquires the Traits of the new type, while retaining the features of the old type. Look up the features and traits of both types in the MM and you will see that the creature loses the mindless trait (b/c the mindless is a trait of vermin), but what happens to its Int Score? I am writing a module and need to know. Does the creature: Please specify your opinion when replying. 1) Have an Int score of (--) dash, and therefore still be mindless b/c of the dash, even though mindless is not one of its traits. 2) Have an Int score of (--), but is not mindless 3) Have an Int score of 0, is effectively unconscious, and is mindless. If the creature gained enough HD to be entitled to a stat bump, it could have a positive Int score and not be unconscious anymore. 4) Have an Int score of 0, is effectively unconscious, and is not mindless. If the creature gained enough HD to be entitled to a stat bump, it could have a positive Int score and not be unconscious anymore. 5) Have an Int score of 1, 2, or 3, and is mindless. 6) Have an Int score of 1, 2, 3, and is not mindless [/QUOTE]

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