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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 454163" data-attributes="member: 8461">Just out of curiosity, where in the Core books does it say that rule? I would have been able to save a lot of time and trouble if I could have found that before.That would pretty much answer my question, but I've seen some cases of undead not having d12 hit dice that didn't seem in error. Head on over to Monte Cook's webpage and have a look at the free preview for Bonds of Magic: The Faithful (<a href="http://montecook.com/mpress_Faithful_preview.html" target="_blank">http://montecook.com/mpress_Faithful_preview.html</a>). One of the characters seen there is a ghoul with four cleric levels. The hit dice for the cleric levels is 4d8. I already checked with Sean K. Reynolds himself, and he assured me that those hit dice are indeed meant to be d8's and not d12's, which casts the entire &quot;undead always use d12 for any hit dice&quot; paradigm out of whack. As near as I can tell, what you said about constructs is correct, but the theory of undead always using d12's seems to only hold true for undead templates. Undead creatures that weren't made with a template have to use normal class hit dice just like everyone else it seems, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.Thoughts on this?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 454163, member: 8461"] Just out of curiosity, where in the Core books does it say that rule? I would have been able to save a lot of time and trouble if I could have found that before. That would pretty much answer my question, but I've seen some cases of undead not having d12 hit dice that didn't seem in error. Head on over to Monte Cook's webpage and have a look at the free preview for Bonds of Magic: The Faithful ([url]http://montecook.com/mpress_Faithful_preview.html[/url]). One of the characters seen there is a ghoul with four cleric levels. The hit dice for the cleric levels is 4d8. I already checked with Sean K. Reynolds himself, and he assured me that those hit dice are indeed meant to be d8's and not d12's, which casts the entire "undead always use d12 for any hit dice" paradigm out of whack. As near as I can tell, what you said about constructs is correct, but the theory of undead always using d12's seems to only hold true for undead templates. Undead creatures that weren't made with a template have to use normal class hit dice just like everyone else it seems, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Thoughts on this? [/QUOTE]

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