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<blockquote data-quote="Snoweel" data-source="post: 650054" data-attributes="member: 4453">How so?Ok. That was a clumsy statement on my part. What I meant by &quot;unavoidable&quot; was that such a situation (of which patrilineage is also a product) becomes unavoidable when men are expected to take an equal role in the moral upbringing of their children, as opposed to merely teaching male children how to fight, hunt, farm, etc.Obviously, such a situation isn't inherently unavoidable, since there have been matrilineal and matriarchal societies throughout history.Of course history has shown their inferiority over other models with regard to survivability (which is the ultimate goal of a society) and growth.It is postulation.And I put it to you that there are only two real reasons for the &quot;oppression&quot; of women (and it can be argued, from a non-materialist p.o.v. that women &quot;oppress&quot; men - it takes 2 to form a political relationship; and everybody is responsible for the situations they find themselves in).One of those two reasons is the one I gave, and the other is the inherent Evil of men.If you have any others, please share.But if society has managed to make such a strong gender division, the question begs to be asked. If the only difference between the genders is sex, then gender roles are necessarily tied to sex.There is no other explanation. Try not to assume cause and effect, my friend.I put it to you that any culture that places strong importance on sex and money, such as one with priestess/prostitutes, would hardly find them undeserving of respect.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snoweel, post: 650054, member: 4453"] How so? Ok. That was a clumsy statement on my part. What I meant by "unavoidable" was that such a situation (of which patrilineage is also a product) becomes unavoidable when men are expected to take an equal role in the moral upbringing of their children, as opposed to merely teaching male children how to fight, hunt, farm, etc. Obviously, such a situation isn't [i]inherently[/i] unavoidable, since there have been matrilineal and matriarchal societies throughout history. Of course history has shown their inferiority over other models with regard to survivability (which is the ultimate goal of a society) and growth. It is postulation. And I put it to you that there are only two real reasons for the "oppression" of women (and it can be argued, from a non-materialist p.o.v. that women "oppress" men - it takes 2 to form a political relationship; and everybody is responsible for the situations they find themselves in). One of those two reasons is the one I gave, and the other is the inherent Evil of men. If you have any others, please share. But if society has managed to make such a strong gender division, the question begs to be asked. If the only difference between the genders is sex, then gender roles [b]are[/b] necessarily tied to sex. There is no other explanation. Try not to assume cause and effect, my friend. I put it to you that any culture that places strong importance on sex and money, such as one with priestess/prostitutes, would hardly find them undeserving of respect. [/QUOTE]

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