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<blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1000564" data-attributes="member: 1194"><p><strong>Problems with T3</strong></p><p></p><p>OK, I wanna bring something else up.</p><p></p><p>I asked "How does the T-X get there?"</p><p></p><p>I appreciate Kai Lord's great timeline theories and summary, and I realize that T3 is saying that the military made Skynet now, and this the Terminators.</p><p></p><p>My problem with the T3 events is not with the back-story - that was pretty inspired, to say "It was inevitable".</p><p></p><p>However, my problem is with how they showed it play out.</p><p>They had some unstoppable, malevolent computer VIRUS taking over the planet, including military installations. </p><p>Then they muck it up by suggesting onscreen that the T-X was corrupting systems with her re-programming.</p><p>They even left it open that the T-X MAY have caused this deadly virus.</p><p></p><p>OK, now either way, that's silly as all hell.</p><p></p><p>Either the T-X spread this virus which led to the birth of the Terminators (a complete impossibility), or a virus did.</p><p>A VIRUS?!</p><p>Jeez, it reminded me too much of all those emails you get from ignorant computer users that talk about a deadly virus that'll "wipe out your hard drive".</p><p>Those are all urban legends, and to have a virus (which is a fairly easy thing to get rid of, once known and innoculated against) be unstoppable is lazy writing. It demoizes viruses, taking advantage of the general public's ignorance about computers, simply for the convenience of having the Terminators be "inevitable".</p><p></p><p>Another problem I had with it was the incredibly convenient encounters that kept happening, combined with John Connor's complete incompetence.</p><p></p><p>John was shown driving at unsafe speed on a country road, in a dangerous mode of transportation (a motorcycle), at Night.</p><p>He couldn't dodge a deer - and the deer was shown to not exactly jump out at him.</p><p>So then he doesn't have ANY contacts - nobody- that can help him out medically, and he of course has no insurance. So he breaks into a vet, and takes either the wrong dose of stolen drugs or the wrong drug completely. (Why doesn't he have a stockpile of drugs, since he knows he doesn't have insurance or an identity?)</p><p></p><p>The huge plot contrivance here is that it just happens to be the same vet's office that the target of the T-X works at.</p><p>But it gets worse.</p><p>This target (Ms. Brewster - god, what a crappy name) just happens to get a call from a hypochondriatic cat owner that morning, and goes in way early.</p><p>She happens to see John there, and captures him at 'gunpoint' (?!).</p><p>Wait - it gets worse.</p><p>Ms. Brewster has met John before, don't you know? AND she recognizes him. And she's 'destined' to marry him and be a great soldier. AND she happens to be the daughter of the one man in the world who created/controls SkyNet, AND can help them survive the holocaust.</p><p></p><p>Oh, the T-X goes to the vet, even though it's too early for anyone (much less her target) to be there.</p><p>The T-X _happens_ to find John's blood, and happens to have a blood-analyzing function built into a combat model that is accurate enough to ID a target (I don't know why, but there's something about that technology that rubs me the wrong way - I didn't think DNA testing could do that - it seems too much of a stretch, but I don't know ...).</p><p></p><p>John Connor - the savior of humanity - seemed completely hopeless and inept the whole movie. The worst was when he was frozen in inactivity when the little gunship came down the hall, yet Kate, who probably had never fought in her whole life, grabbed the gun and took out the gunship.</p><p></p><p>The T-1000 didn't think to change cars when fleeing pursuit by the authorities? That gave them an easy way for them to follow them to the next staging point for an action sequence : the cemetary.</p><p></p><p>The authorities even helped the T-X track down John, by escorting the T-X (in the guise of Kate's fiance) to the target.</p><p>[ponder] A Terminator wouldn't have waited for the police to escort the fiance - 'she' would have tracked them down herself. It seemed like the writers were treating the T-X as a female that would use deception and guile, instead of a take-charge Terminator. [/ponder]</p><p></p><p>The T-X _happens_ to arrive right as Kate is walking away. Right as the Hearse happens to be close by, fleeing. She suddenly can run fast - if she could have run that fast the whole movie, I'm sure there would have been some problems in other scenes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reapersaurus, post: 1000564, member: 1194"] [b]Problems with T3[/b] OK, I wanna bring something else up. I asked "How does the T-X get there?" I appreciate Kai Lord's great timeline theories and summary, and I realize that T3 is saying that the military made Skynet now, and this the Terminators. My problem with the T3 events is not with the back-story - that was pretty inspired, to say "It was inevitable". However, my problem is with how they showed it play out. They had some unstoppable, malevolent computer VIRUS taking over the planet, including military installations. Then they muck it up by suggesting onscreen that the T-X was corrupting systems with her re-programming. They even left it open that the T-X MAY have caused this deadly virus. OK, now either way, that's silly as all hell. Either the T-X spread this virus which led to the birth of the Terminators (a complete impossibility), or a virus did. A VIRUS?! Jeez, it reminded me too much of all those emails you get from ignorant computer users that talk about a deadly virus that'll "wipe out your hard drive". Those are all urban legends, and to have a virus (which is a fairly easy thing to get rid of, once known and innoculated against) be unstoppable is lazy writing. It demoizes viruses, taking advantage of the general public's ignorance about computers, simply for the convenience of having the Terminators be "inevitable". Another problem I had with it was the incredibly convenient encounters that kept happening, combined with John Connor's complete incompetence. John was shown driving at unsafe speed on a country road, in a dangerous mode of transportation (a motorcycle), at Night. He couldn't dodge a deer - and the deer was shown to not exactly jump out at him. So then he doesn't have ANY contacts - nobody- that can help him out medically, and he of course has no insurance. So he breaks into a vet, and takes either the wrong dose of stolen drugs or the wrong drug completely. (Why doesn't he have a stockpile of drugs, since he knows he doesn't have insurance or an identity?) The huge plot contrivance here is that it just happens to be the same vet's office that the target of the T-X works at. But it gets worse. This target (Ms. Brewster - god, what a crappy name) just happens to get a call from a hypochondriatic cat owner that morning, and goes in way early. She happens to see John there, and captures him at 'gunpoint' (?!). Wait - it gets worse. Ms. Brewster has met John before, don't you know? AND she recognizes him. And she's 'destined' to marry him and be a great soldier. AND she happens to be the daughter of the one man in the world who created/controls SkyNet, AND can help them survive the holocaust. Oh, the T-X goes to the vet, even though it's too early for anyone (much less her target) to be there. The T-X _happens_ to find John's blood, and happens to have a blood-analyzing function built into a combat model that is accurate enough to ID a target (I don't know why, but there's something about that technology that rubs me the wrong way - I didn't think DNA testing could do that - it seems too much of a stretch, but I don't know ...). John Connor - the savior of humanity - seemed completely hopeless and inept the whole movie. The worst was when he was frozen in inactivity when the little gunship came down the hall, yet Kate, who probably had never fought in her whole life, grabbed the gun and took out the gunship. The T-1000 didn't think to change cars when fleeing pursuit by the authorities? That gave them an easy way for them to follow them to the next staging point for an action sequence : the cemetary. The authorities even helped the T-X track down John, by escorting the T-X (in the guise of Kate's fiance) to the target. [ponder] A Terminator wouldn't have waited for the police to escort the fiance - 'she' would have tracked them down herself. It seemed like the writers were treating the T-X as a female that would use deception and guile, instead of a take-charge Terminator. [/ponder] The T-X _happens_ to arrive right as Kate is walking away. Right as the Hearse happens to be close by, fleeing. She suddenly can run fast - if she could have run that fast the whole movie, I'm sure there would have been some problems in other scenes. [/QUOTE]
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