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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kai Lord" data-source="post: 987600" data-attributes="member: 3570">Thought I'd branch off a new thread that allowed for spoiler filled discussion of the movies, and to get away from counterproductive tangents of the last one.  So without further ado:reapersaurus said:"How's this for starters: how did the T-X get there, when they destroyed it all in T2?I'd love to discuss these plot points, if (hopefully) we can start talking about spoilers now."The T-X got there because in T2 they destroyed the work done by CYBERDINE, a private corporation.  The US Air Force eventually developed the technology that led to the rise of the machines independent of Cyberdine's work.Notice how in T2 Arnold refers to himself as "Cyberdine model 101" but in T3 he is the "T-101", which was in line with how the prototypes at the Air Force base were designated.  A nice touch to indicate a similar, yet different timeline progressed after the events of T2.This is basically how I see the entire timeline of the films:Original TimelineThe military designs the machines that eventually take over the world.Sarah Connor sleeps with some random guy and gives birth to John Connor, who through Kate Brewster's (Claire Danes) military connections, is able to unite the remnants of humanity and lead them to victory under his own leadership.The machines counter by building the Time Displacement device, and going back in time to kill Sarah.  This creates the second timeline, which overlaps the first.Second TimelineThe Terminator goes back in time, as does Kyle Reese.  Now they start changing how it goes.  Sort of.  The Terminator is trying to kill Sarah, but in doing so he would destroy any reason for the machines to use the Time Displacement device, therefore any reason to go back and kill her.  If there's no reason to kill her, she doesn't die and John Connor leads the resistance and we have a nice little paradoxical loop because everyone is back where they started and the cycle continues.  Since T3 takes the perspective that time paradoxes are impossible, it determines that the events in the future are "inevitable", and MUST occur to keep history on its original course, free of paradoxes.In T1, Reese impregnates Sarah, thereby replacing whoever the original father of John Connor would have been.  This inadvertantly changes aspects of John Connor, because now he'll share genetics with Reese instead of who his original dad was, but fate will allow this as long as this new John still leads the human resistance to victory.Concurrently, the first Terminator is destroyed in a Cyberdine factory, which causes Cyberdine  to replace the US Military as creator of the machines.  However, the rest of the "future" from this timeline still plays out, and we have two more Terminators coming back through time, more or less the same with the distinct difference of now carrying Cyberdine labels.And here we have T2, which once again creates a new timeline, a third timeline.Third TimelineThe Sarah/Reese John Connor is alive, and following in the foosteps of the original John, whose timeline was overlapped by the events of T1.Now we have two CYBERDINE Terminators but their missions are the same, one to kill John the other to protect.Both Terminators are destroyed, but all of Cyberdine's work is also destroyed, therefore erasing the new future caused by leaving the first Terminator in the hydraulic press, which itself was a change from the original timeline which led to the time travel in the first place.So then we have the end of T2, with the Cyberdine timeline prevented, but now a John Connor that can't exist unless a soldier from the future goes back in time and impregnates his mother.  But there won't be a soldier unless there's a war.  A war they seemingly just prevented.  Fate doesn't like paradoxes so...The US Air Force picks up where Cyberdine left off, albeit several years behind, hence the no war on August 29th, 1997.  Possibly some ex-Cyberdine personnel took their knowledge to the military after their building was blown up or maybe the military just coincidentally came up with the same ideas.  Who knows.What's important is that the USAF now creates the robots it was originally going to create all the way back in the Original Timeline, but since the timeline was postponed a few years, all the new technology developed in that time leads to even more deadly Terminators when they're finally created, such as T-101's that now have nuclear fuel cells and of course the T-X.The war continues as it originally did back in the beginning, but the T-X goes back in time to try and kill John, just as the others did, but all she manages to accomplish is activating some Terminator and Hunter Killer prototypes that assist Skynet in destroying much of mankind.  Unlike the other Terminators, the T-X doesn't actually change the future course of history in a dramatic way (Skynet would have nuked everyone regardless of whether or not she showed up) so there is no longer any paradox.The only thing left was to reconnect John to Kate Brewster's father and the T-X (and T-101) assisted in doing that so ultimately, both man and machines move forward to the inevitable events that led to the creation of Time Displacement:  The war itself, and John leading the humans to victory.  Both events are on line to occur after T3, which makes it a perfectly circular story, free of paradoxes.Pretty cool.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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