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<blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 994012" data-attributes="member: 2477">My problem is that there is no first father. It's not like she was involved or anything and that guy got whacked.I don't see T1 as a paradox, because I think a paradox is when you do something to make that future impossible that prompted your action.Reese was always Connor's father. He was chosen to go back in time because he was. They probably only knew about because of Connor's foreknowledge. It's a time loop that handles itself perfectly, and there is no reason for there to be another timeline without that loop, so I don't understand why he mandates that such a timeline existed.There is no reason that Reese isn't, wasn't and won't always be Connor's father. In the same manner, if Terminator hadn't come back, he couldn't have been found, and he wouldn't have existed.T2 was different. In T2 they left the situation unresolved. The terminator's come back, mess stuff up, give more specific information. The movie ends by disproving itself. I haven't seen T3, but it seems geared to correcting how T2 ended.So, basically, IMO, T1 is fine by itself, T2 is where the timelines have to be rewritten. That doesn't mean you have to force T2/T3's events to give T1 another timeline though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vocenoctum, post: 994012, member: 2477"] My problem is that there is no first father. It's not like she was involved or anything and that guy got whacked. I don't see T1 as a paradox, because I think a paradox is when you do something to make that future impossible that prompted your action. Reese was always Connor's father. He was chosen to go back in time because he was. They probably only knew about because of Connor's foreknowledge. It's a time loop that handles itself perfectly, and there is no reason for there to be another timeline without that loop, so I don't understand why he mandates that such a timeline existed. There is no reason that Reese isn't, wasn't and won't always be Connor's father. In the same manner, if Terminator hadn't come back, he couldn't have been found, and he wouldn't have existed. T2 was different. In T2 they left the situation unresolved. The terminator's come back, mess stuff up, give more specific information. The movie ends by disproving itself. I haven't seen T3, but it seems geared to correcting how T2 ended. So, basically, IMO, T1 is fine by itself, T2 is where the timelines have to be rewritten. That doesn't mean you have to force T2/T3's events to give T1 another timeline though. [/QUOTE]

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