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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 975862" data-attributes="member: 5171">Well, my players were 10th level heroes facing a variety of Fast/Strong and Tough/Strong ordinaries.  During the entirety of the game, only ONE bad guy made his DC25 Fort Save against those dang things.Admittedly, the player had a great concept:1) Throw grenade2) Put on Gas Mask3) Whip out baton, wade into cloud, begin whackingHe was a demolitions geek with little in the way of hand-to-hand combat fu, but he got rid of more bad guys than the Strong/Fast/Gunslinger with the katana, the pistols, and the anime-wannabe complex.According to the FAQ up above, tear gas grenades were supposed to have a DC of 15, not 25, and sicken the opponent (-2 to just about everything) rather than blinding and stunning them.  I don't know if sickening is too weak, but the DC15 is a lot more reasonable, while still high enough to be missable by a d20 Modern character -- their saves just don't get as high as D&D folks.Old:DC25Blinded AND Stunned 2d6 roundsNew:DC15Sickened for 1d6 rounds(I think)I'd consider somewhere in between.  Maybe:DC15Blinded and Sickened for 1d6 roundsorDC15Blinded for 2d6 roundsI don't know enough about tear gas grenades in real life to know which is more realistic, but as they stand in the book, they're a bit over the top...</blockquote>