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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8660060" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I would be less inclined to focus on that if the title of the thread were not "Testing Players." That is, the product seems to be an illustrative example of the thread topic (which the OP opposes). A different, personal example was included after, as a bit of self-effacing contrast, since it was one Renard personally asked a player to perform (solving a sudoku to shut down a nuclear reactor beginning to meltdown.)"Testing players" is a crappy thing to do unless the players seek it out or actively support the inclusion of such tests. The tests themselves may be perfectly cromulent as individual activities. I have enjoyed solving a sudoku puzzle or two, for example. It is the act of turning these things into tests that players must pass that is an issue, and that would seem to be the intended topic of discussion.</blockquote>