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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 655266" data-attributes="member: 6875">30 points of damage per attack ... ?!?!?  Reliably hitting with them all ... ?Now, that, I'd like to see, 'cause I don't think it can be DONE.  figure, longsword, good strength, specialisation ... I can see 15 per attack (even "on average").  I can see hitting with half of his attacks, IOW, gettign a net per-round damage average of 30 to 40.But 120 to 150?No offense, but .... bull.Also consider, that fireball can nab up to, say, eight targets.  I can be cast at a large range (11th level caster, say, JUST enough for a fighter to have three attacks w/o feats or haste) ... I think around 840 feet, for caster level 11 (it's 400 + 40/Level, right?).And even then ... that's only a THIRD level spell.  Said wizard also has access to SIXTH level spells, and everything lower -- or better, to metamagicks.  Maximise that fireball, and it's "60, save for 30) ... in one of those sixth-level spell slots.  With Haste (hey, you mentioned the -fighter- could get it, why not the wizard too?), that's a second spell cast.  With (from T&B) a Rod of Quickening, said wizard could, a few times per day, drop a THIRD maximised fireball.  All in one round.  At nearly 900 foot range.60 per fireball (save for 30), for 2-3 fireballs, catching, say ... four people apiece.  That's 480-720 damage (save for 240-360), spread among up to 12 targets................ your point is?</blockquote>