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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 663048" data-attributes="member: 6875">12 damage per target in the spell's area.&nbsp; No, not much per target, but if there're some 5 or 10 targets in that area ...No, sorry, you'll miss more than 5% of the time.&nbsp; See below.For &quot;you face but a single opponent&quot; monsters, I daresay it is.&nbsp; Otherwise, for equal-to-party EL encounters, I daresay there had BEST be a half-dozen-ish targets ...Those examples were in RESPONSE to someone else's OoBI / Deepwoods sniper example.Then I daresay you are used to GMs who use (as a sole method) single-bigger-badder for increasing enemy-challenge encounters.Face some ten enemies, such that the EL is suited for the party, and multiple-badguy-damage spells start looking a lot better.Try looking at CR 10 and CR 11 critters, and figure on a half dozen or so of them.&nbsp; Otherwise, you ARE implying &quot;sigle big bad enemy&quot; as &quot;the norm&quot; ... and it shouldn't be.&nbsp; At the least that'd increase the numbers of targets.As well, remember that several monsters can themselves use magic items.&nbsp; Think Lich.You know what, fine ... whatever ... now picture FIVE of those enemies at once.&nbsp; While you take one down, the wizard takes half of the other four down.And since neitehr is intended to function in a vacuum ... the wizard has just set YOU up for a possible cleave in the next round.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pax, post: 663048, member: 6875"] 12 damage [b]per target in the spell's area[/b]. No, not much per target, but if there're some 5 or 10 targets in that area ... No, sorry, you'll miss more than 5% of the time. See below. For "you face but a single opponent" monsters, I daresay it is. Otherwise, for equal-to-party EL encounters, I daresay there had BEST be a half-dozen-ish targets ... Those examples were in RESPONSE to someone else's OoBI / Deepwoods sniper example. Then I daresay you are used to GMs who use (as a sole method) single-bigger-badder for increasing enemy-challenge encounters. Face some ten enemies, such that the EL is suited for the party, and multiple-badguy-damage spells start looking a lot better. Try looking at CR 10 and CR 11 critters, and figure on a half dozen or so of them. Otherwise, you ARE implying "sigle big bad enemy" as "the norm" ... and it shouldn't be. At the least that'd increase the numbers of targets. As well, remember that several monsters can themselves [b]use magic items[/b]. Think Lich. You know what, fine ... whatever ... now picture FIVE of those enemies at once. While you take one down, the wizard takes half of the other four down. And since neitehr is intended to function in a vacuum ... the wizard has just set YOU up for a possible cleave in the next round. [/QUOTE]

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