Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
That Penny Arcade Controversy
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 6179710" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>For <span style="color: #c35817">@</span><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?8461-Alzrius" target="_blank"><span style="color: #C35817">Alzrius</span></a><span style="color: #3E3E3E"> ,</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>Gack. I was worried so much about the rest of the examples I botched the set-up. So here is a cleaned up version (I hope).</p><p></p><p>Am I correct in interpreting your personal framework for the following?</p><p></p><p>A) Consider a store that markets itself as "family friendly" as a business strategy and has a number of policies to help with this (choice of music played in the store, employee dress code, type of items displayed by the register, etc...). To make the overarching store concept workable (so they don't have to inspect every product in detail) they've come up with a screen for what they carry: "We won't sell any product that is legally un-purchasable by someone who is 13 years of age, or that is rated to have a minimum appropriate age older than 13. So, alcohol and cigarettes are out. In movies, for example, G, PG, and PG-13 are Good, R and NC17 are out." As such they will not carry the AO rated Rockstar game. Am I correct that you would be ok with this because the exclusion of Rockstar games is based on the marketing attempt to create a store atmosphere, and the restriction of someone else's creative expression is just a byproduct?</p><p></p><p>B) A store owner finds sex and violence immoral and doesn't want anyone to sell such products. They actively pursue this goal, and as part of that pursuit their store also has the G-PG-PG13=ok, R-NC17=bad type policy. Am I correct that this is a solid example of their exclusion of Rockstar games being bad because the overarching policy is explicitly to deny someone's creative expression?</p><p></p><p>C) A store owner believes that it is immoral to run a business involving extreme violence or graphic sex. As such, they would have to decline the AO Rockstar game. Am I correct that their only moral option is to choose another business to go into? Can we view running a store (the design, set-up, marketing, etc...) as a creative process? If so, is Rockstar being immoral by asking this store to surrender its own creative process by carrying their AO game?</p><p></p><p>D) A store owner believes that videos and games depicting pornography and violence are actively exploitative and harm the people who make and view them? Am I correct that they could morally decline to carry the AO game on the same moral reasoning they could decline to carry the child pornography? (As the morality and legality are separate issues and they think it is exploiting and harming others).</p><p></p><p>Personally, I tend to be hypocritical in my views of this (if I think its wrong so should they, and if they think something I like is wrong then they're wrong) and would like to work on that before I have to make my own decisions on some of them. </p><p> </p><p>In general, as long as monopolies and collusion are illegal, and no discrimination is occurring based on race, religion, orientation, disability, etc... , I don't see a moral obligation for the store to use its time and money to enable creative enterprises they disagree with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 6179710, member: 6701124"] For [COLOR=#c35817]@[/COLOR][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?8461-Alzrius"][COLOR=#C35817]Alzrius[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#3E3E3E] ,[/COLOR] Gack. I was worried so much about the rest of the examples I botched the set-up. So here is a cleaned up version (I hope). Am I correct in interpreting your personal framework for the following? A) Consider a store that markets itself as "family friendly" as a business strategy and has a number of policies to help with this (choice of music played in the store, employee dress code, type of items displayed by the register, etc...). To make the overarching store concept workable (so they don't have to inspect every product in detail) they've come up with a screen for what they carry: "We won't sell any product that is legally un-purchasable by someone who is 13 years of age, or that is rated to have a minimum appropriate age older than 13. So, alcohol and cigarettes are out. In movies, for example, G, PG, and PG-13 are Good, R and NC17 are out." As such they will not carry the AO rated Rockstar game. Am I correct that you would be ok with this because the exclusion of Rockstar games is based on the marketing attempt to create a store atmosphere, and the restriction of someone else's creative expression is just a byproduct? B) A store owner finds sex and violence immoral and doesn't want anyone to sell such products. They actively pursue this goal, and as part of that pursuit their store also has the G-PG-PG13=ok, R-NC17=bad type policy. Am I correct that this is a solid example of their exclusion of Rockstar games being bad because the overarching policy is explicitly to deny someone's creative expression? C) A store owner believes that it is immoral to run a business involving extreme violence or graphic sex. As such, they would have to decline the AO Rockstar game. Am I correct that their only moral option is to choose another business to go into? Can we view running a store (the design, set-up, marketing, etc...) as a creative process? If so, is Rockstar being immoral by asking this store to surrender its own creative process by carrying their AO game? D) A store owner believes that videos and games depicting pornography and violence are actively exploitative and harm the people who make and view them? Am I correct that they could morally decline to carry the AO game on the same moral reasoning they could decline to carry the child pornography? (As the morality and legality are separate issues and they think it is exploiting and harming others). Personally, I tend to be hypocritical in my views of this (if I think its wrong so should they, and if they think something I like is wrong then they're wrong) and would like to work on that before I have to make my own decisions on some of them. In general, as long as monopolies and collusion are illegal, and no discrimination is occurring based on race, religion, orientation, disability, etc... , I don't see a moral obligation for the store to use its time and money to enable creative enterprises they disagree with. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
That Penny Arcade Controversy
Top