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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9033798" data-attributes="member: 6801845">If the spell says &quot;target you can see&quot; I wouldn't allow it either.&nbsp; But something like a lightning bolt?&nbsp; Or take Catapult which throws an object of the caster's choice. That's a different story.&nbsp; Maybe there should be two standards?&nbsp; The &quot;arrow&quot; test and the &quot;paper airplane&quot; test? It gets weird.&nbsp; Let's say someone is hiding behind a tapestry.&nbsp; Based on strict reading, most spells could not target the person, even ones that don't include the &quot;must see&quot;.&nbsp; But that tapestry isn't really more protection than any armor or heavy clothing they may wear.Some spells like (random spell here) Aganazzar's Scorcher to me should work because you're just picking a direction and, like lighting bolt, it can affect multiple creatures in a line.&nbsp; But would the Fire Bolt cantrip hit the creature behind the tapestry or just set the tapestry on fire?&nbsp; Does it matter if the tapestry is being used as a makeshift cape with hood and the target is looking away from you?The rules are simple until they aren't.&nbsp; That's why we have rulings over rules because no set of rules will ever cover every edge case.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9033798, member: 6801845"] If the spell says "target you can see" I wouldn't allow it either. But something like a lightning bolt? Or take Catapult which throws an object of the caster's choice. That's a different story. Maybe there should be two standards? The "arrow" test and the "paper airplane" test? It gets weird. Let's say someone is hiding behind a tapestry. Based on strict reading, most spells could not target the person, even ones that don't include the "must see". But that tapestry isn't really more protection than any armor or heavy clothing they may wear. Some spells like (random spell here) Aganazzar's Scorcher to me should work because you're just picking a direction and, like lighting bolt, it can affect multiple creatures in a line. But would the Fire Bolt cantrip hit the creature behind the tapestry or just set the tapestry on fire? Does it matter if the tapestry is being used as a makeshift cape with hood and the target is looking away from you? The rules are simple until they aren't. That's why we have rulings over rules because no set of rules will ever cover every edge case. [/QUOTE]

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