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The -10 Myth: How a Poorly-Worded Gygaxian Rule Became the Modern Death Save
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8241689" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>???? Seriously?</p><p></p><p>No one said it was cheating.</p><p></p><p>There is, like, an ENTIRE POST about how 1e had a multitude of playing styles, I should know because I wrote it. Moreover, I specifically wrote that this was a rule that was commonly misinterpreted and misapplied- not cheating. Sorry, not <strong>DELIBERATELY CHEATING</strong>.</p><p></p><p>In addition, if you read the rule, it's really not ambiguous. Here, I'll help you:</p><p></p><p><em>Zero Hit Points: </em></p><p><em>When any creature is brought to 0 hit points (optionally as low as -3 hit points if from the same blow which brought the total to 0), it is unconscious.</em></p><p></p><p>Let's stop right there. What does that mean (especially when you read it in pari materia with the PHB, the rest of the DMG, and every other D&D book published before then) ... it is about a hit that takes you to EXACTLY ZERO HIT POINTS (optionally, as low as -3 "IF FROM THE SAME BLOW WHICH BROUGHT THE TOTAL TO 0.").</p><p></p><p>What does this not include? Anything blowthat brings you below 0. Or, if you are playing with the optional rules, any blow that drops you below -3.</p><p></p><p>All the other words are about <em>what happens to you in the unconscious condition</em>- you lose a hit point a round until you die at -10.</p><p></p><p>But if you want to know how it was originally played, you can look at the OD&D rules- which are also quoted above. Hint: when you reach zero hit points, you die.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8241689, member: 7023840"] ???? Seriously? No one said it was cheating. There is, like, an ENTIRE POST about how 1e had a multitude of playing styles, I should know because I wrote it. Moreover, I specifically wrote that this was a rule that was commonly misinterpreted and misapplied- not cheating. Sorry, not [B]DELIBERATELY CHEATING[/B]. In addition, if you read the rule, it's really not ambiguous. Here, I'll help you: [I]Zero Hit Points: When any creature is brought to 0 hit points (optionally as low as -3 hit points if from the same blow which brought the total to 0), it is unconscious.[/I] Let's stop right there. What does that mean (especially when you read it in pari materia with the PHB, the rest of the DMG, and every other D&D book published before then) ... it is about a hit that takes you to EXACTLY ZERO HIT POINTS (optionally, as low as -3 "IF FROM THE SAME BLOW WHICH BROUGHT THE TOTAL TO 0."). What does this not include? Anything blowthat brings you below 0. Or, if you are playing with the optional rules, any blow that drops you below -3. All the other words are about [I]what happens to you in the unconscious condition[/I]- you lose a hit point a round until you die at -10. But if you want to know how it was originally played, you can look at the OD&D rules- which are also quoted above. Hint: when you reach zero hit points, you die. [/QUOTE]
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