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<blockquote data-quote="Ryujin" data-source="post: 8556031" data-attributes="member: 27897">You see, I would argue that those movies would still likely exist, but the presentation would be different. A great movie is great because of the story it tells and the way that it's told, far more than the visual trickery that might be used. you can be quite subtle with the use of what you have, as in &quot;The Wizard of Oz.&quot; Colour film existed and, while novel, wasn't really new. Starting a film in black and white and then switching to colour was using the existing tech in a different way, but it wasn't transformative of the medium. It was a method of storytelling that slipped past many viewers' conscious minds.The effects in &quot;Star Wars.&quot; &quot;Bullet Time&quot; in &quot;The Matrix.&quot; These were visual tricks that may have added to the experience, but didn't do much for the story. Star Wars could still have been done using Harryhausen's stop motion. The reflection effects in &quot;The Matrix&quot;, while not new, had much more impact on the storytelling than &quot;Bullet Time&quot; did.You can make a movie subjectively look better but if you don't have a story capable of drawing in your audience, all of the frippery in the world won't help much. In the past I've mentioned &quot;Jupiter Ascending.&quot; The Euro-style effects in that movie were as different from our normal fare, as Lucas is from Harryhausen. That didn't make it a good movie. Nothing did.And I guess that I'm an outlier here, but &quot;Avatar&quot; makes me yawn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ryujin, post: 8556031, member: 27897"] You see, I would argue that those movies would still likely exist, but the presentation would be different. A great movie is great because of the story it tells and the way that it's told, far more than the visual trickery that might be used. you can be quite subtle with the use of what you have, as in "The Wizard of Oz." Colour film existed and, while novel, wasn't really new. Starting a film in black and white and then switching to colour was using the existing tech in a different way, but it wasn't transformative of the medium. It was a method of storytelling that slipped past many viewers' conscious minds. The effects in "Star Wars." "Bullet Time" in "The Matrix." These were visual tricks that may have added to the experience, but didn't do much for the story. Star Wars could still have been done using Harryhausen's stop motion. The reflection effects in "The Matrix", while not new, had much more impact on the storytelling than "Bullet Time" did. You can make a movie subjectively look better but if you don't have a story capable of drawing in your audience, all of the frippery in the world won't help much. In the past I've mentioned "Jupiter Ascending." The Euro-style effects in that movie were as different from our normal fare, as Lucas is from Harryhausen. That didn't make it a good movie. Nothing did. And I guess that I'm an outlier here, but "Avatar" makes me yawn. [/QUOTE]

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