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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5385568" data-attributes="member: 35909">It's a shame the level is 10.&nbsp; Improved Precise Shot and the one to ignore 5 points of DR are level 11 and 12 feats respectively, and huge boosts for the fighter archer.As for the archer variant (and crossbow variant) in the APG...I don't like them.&nbsp; If you could &quot;opt out&quot; of various class features, maybe.&nbsp; But as it stands, the two archetypes who most want a high dex get absolutely none of the armor trainings?&nbsp; Sorry, that's just too painful to lose, and the replacement abilities aren't even good.&nbsp; At very high levels the builds start giving genuinely good stuff, but unless I was starting there, I'd probably rather just play a Mobile Fighter with Nimble Moves feat, so he can always 5 ft step.&nbsp; Mobile Fighter lets you apply the &quot;weapon training&quot; bonus on any weapon, so long as you move 5 ft or more first, so it lets you keep up on damage, still get armor training 2, and not completely suck at melee, either.&nbsp; Also...by RAW you still get Weapon Training 2, 3, and 4, so Mobile Fighter actually ends up with more damage than n Archer or Crossbow Fighter anyway. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; But, if you think giving that up for the ability to bull rush someone 5 ft with your arrow is worth it, be my guest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5385568, member: 35909"] It's a shame the level is 10. Improved Precise Shot and the one to ignore 5 points of DR are level 11 and 12 feats respectively, and huge boosts for the fighter archer. As for the archer variant (and crossbow variant) in the APG...I don't like them. If you could "opt out" of various class features, maybe. But as it stands, the two archetypes who [b]most[/b] want a high dex get absolutely none of the armor trainings? Sorry, that's just too painful to lose, and the replacement abilities aren't even good. At very high levels the builds start giving genuinely good stuff, but unless I was starting there, I'd probably rather just play a Mobile Fighter with Nimble Moves feat, so he can always 5 ft step. Mobile Fighter lets you apply the "weapon training" bonus on any weapon, so long as you move 5 ft or more first, so it lets you keep up on damage, still get armor training 2, and not completely suck at melee, either. Also...by RAW you still get Weapon Training 2, 3, and 4, so Mobile Fighter actually ends up with more damage than n Archer or Crossbow Fighter anyway. ;) But, if you think giving that up for the ability to bull rush someone 5 ft with your arrow is worth it, be my guest. [/QUOTE]

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