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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9843352" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Truenamer is legitimately the most broken class in 3.5e, which is a remarkable achievement given how bad 3.5e's design gets. However, unlike most broken things, it's broken because it genuinely <em>doesn't work</em>. Like it is actually unplayable as written. You have to bend or even occasionally <em>break</em> the class's own rules just to get something vaguely playable.</p><p></p><p>So, yes, Truenamer is Bruno, we don't talk about it.</p><p></p><p>Shadowcaster is just a somewhat pigeonholed themed caster, one amongst several in later-era 3.5e. It's not that we don't talk about it; it's that there's hardly much to talk about. Like the Dread Necromancer or Beguiler, it was <em>much</em> too little, <em>far</em> too late. Folks knew they could do better with just core classes, so the only people who went for these were the already-adventurous types.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well that's...sort of an unavoidable problem with this type of power?</p><p></p><p>Because what you're doing is <em>very literally</em> telling the GM "Rewrite your divine casters' sheets whenever you like, however you like, as much as you like, and they aren't allowed to say no or even <em>complain</em> lest they lose all of their abilities completely." That only works as a default, everyone-does-this thing when you can be certain that nearly 100% of GMs will use that power exclusively for good ends, or avoid using it at all.</p><p></p><p>I think you can see why that doesn't work. Even if only 20% of GMs abuse that power, it's 19.9 percentage points too many.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9843352, member: 6790260"] Truenamer is legitimately the most broken class in 3.5e, which is a remarkable achievement given how bad 3.5e's design gets. However, unlike most broken things, it's broken because it genuinely [I]doesn't work[/I]. Like it is actually unplayable as written. You have to bend or even occasionally [I]break[/I] the class's own rules just to get something vaguely playable. So, yes, Truenamer is Bruno, we don't talk about it. Shadowcaster is just a somewhat pigeonholed themed caster, one amongst several in later-era 3.5e. It's not that we don't talk about it; it's that there's hardly much to talk about. Like the Dread Necromancer or Beguiler, it was [I]much[/I] too little, [I]far[/I] too late. Folks knew they could do better with just core classes, so the only people who went for these were the already-adventurous types. Well that's...sort of an unavoidable problem with this type of power? Because what you're doing is [I]very literally[/I] telling the GM "Rewrite your divine casters' sheets whenever you like, however you like, as much as you like, and they aren't allowed to say no or even [I]complain[/I] lest they lose all of their abilities completely." That only works as a default, everyone-does-this thing when you can be certain that nearly 100% of GMs will use that power exclusively for good ends, or avoid using it at all. I think you can see why that doesn't work. Even if only 20% of GMs abuse that power, it's 19.9 percentage points too many. [/QUOTE]
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