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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drothgery" data-source="post: 6064567" data-attributes="member: 360">FWIW, expanding on what I meant when I said that I think 13th Age seems to be the game for the '4e crowd' right now is that I think it's the only new game out there I've heard of that clearly is drawing a lot from 4e (certainly it was interesting enough to me that I bought thet escalation edition). And while I rather lilke 4e, I don't think I'd want to run it without D&Di, and I doubt WotC will maintain the 4e tools indefinitely after Next is launched.I'd also mention that [notranslate]Pathfinder[/notranslate]'s success surprised me, though in retrospect it makes a lot of sense; given how the OGL works, a near-clone of 3.5 was legally possible and given a high degree of change, a near-clone of 3.5 with good production values by a company known for good 3.5 adventures was very likely to do well. But Next seems like it's going to be just as disruptive as 4e was, so I strongly suspect a well-done 4e knock-off could succeed; maybe not to the degree [notranslate]Pathfinder[/notranslate] did, but certianly do well enough to keep a 2nd-tier gaming company in business.</blockquote>