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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6066196" data-attributes="member: 87792">My experience as an unashamed 4e fan is that walking onto the ENWorld boards is walking into hostile territory.  Not enemy territory - I'd not accuse it of being The RPG Site or Dragonsfoot - but definitely hostile territory.  (Friendly territory would be the D20 board on rpg.net if you ignore the WotC forums).  And the crowd won't turn diehard anyway until after D&D Next is finalised.But as for where we will go?  Some of us will move on to D&D Next - but I think based on current status that's a minor group.  A lot will stay with 4e - it works and we've almost all the material we could want for it.  And the situation is almost the opposite of the 2e fans - the 2e strength was settings and those work under other systems whereas 4e fans import other settings to use under 4e rules.13th Age, for what it's worth, has a crippling flaw compared to 4e.  In 4e a fighter can declare that they are trying to do something specific then roll to see whether it happened.  In 13th Age the fighter declares an attack then rolls to see how they did it.  Massive deprotagonisation from 4e.  This cuts against one of the key strengths of 4e.To date D&D Next offers me nothing I couldn't do better with another system, which was emphatically not the case with 4e.  It also offers [notranslate]Pathfinder[/notranslate] players literally nothing that would encourage them to move so far as I can tell.  It isn't appealing to the Trailblazer crowd and offers nothing to the Fantasy Craft set.  I just don't see many people switching at all.  I can't think of a single thing that Next offers me other than a game with a marketing budget that continuing to play 4e wouldn't.And for 4e players, some of us are going to stick with 4e.  Some of us are going to switch to other systems.  (I'm currently running MHRP and my in-the-works campaign uses the Leverage rules).I'm also predicting D&D Next will bomb because I can't see where it gets any players from.  4e fans don't get what they want at all.  [notranslate]Pathfinder[/notranslate] fans are happy with Paizo and are unlikely to switch.  3e fans who haven't switched to PF will gain very little.  2e and 1e fans haven't bothered keeping up to date in over a decade.  And so far as I can tell D&D Next does nothing significantly better than previous editions - say what you like about both 3.0 and 4e but both opened up new ways of playing.</blockquote>

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