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The 4E Monster Manual -- what 3.5 monsters need the axe?
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<blockquote data-quote="Torm" data-source="post: 3802658" data-attributes="member: 12706"><p>I agree with everything you said in this post, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I still want those "undead" in, but they DO need to be called something else, or given an explanation that actually makes them <em>undead</em>.</p><p></p><p>I disagree. What's wrong with including creatures that serve a <em>role</em>playing purpose, rather than just being a combat adversary? I think it would be rare, indeed, to see the party face off a party of Dryads or Nymphs, for example - but it would be a darned shame if they were taken out. (If for no other reason than that it would make the MM fail to meet its hottie quota .... but I digress. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)</p><p>I'll agree with you this much, though - "actually in mythology" isn't a good argument. WHOSE mythology, exactly? I mean, most of the campaign worlds we play in aren't Earth, or at least OUR Earth, so.....</p><p></p><p>[Raises hand] I've used it, and I <em>thought</em> it was a serious campaign, anyway - my players may have a different opinion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>Giant floating turtles are from a much larger variety of sources than just NES. The aforementioned campaign world with the Tarrasque existed on the back of a giant space turtle that was loosely based on the Dragon Turtle - and strongly based on real Earth legends.</p><p></p><p>Word.</p><p></p><p>I don't want ANY 3.5 monsters given the axe. And I want to see ALL of the 1E and 2E critters back in. Some refinement and rules clarifications are fine, but I want 'em ALL.</p><p></p><p>And I want Grues, both the elemental ones from Dragon Magazine and the darkness ones (Grue and Ur-Grue) from Zork IN THE CORE. (Won't happen, but an Implementor can dream... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Torm, post: 3802658, member: 12706"] I agree with everything you said in this post, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. :D I still want those "undead" in, but they DO need to be called something else, or given an explanation that actually makes them [I]undead[/I]. I disagree. What's wrong with including creatures that serve a [I]role[/I]playing purpose, rather than just being a combat adversary? I think it would be rare, indeed, to see the party face off a party of Dryads or Nymphs, for example - but it would be a darned shame if they were taken out. (If for no other reason than that it would make the MM fail to meet its hottie quota .... but I digress. ;)) I'll agree with you this much, though - "actually in mythology" isn't a good argument. WHOSE mythology, exactly? I mean, most of the campaign worlds we play in aren't Earth, or at least OUR Earth, so..... [Raises hand] I've used it, and I [I]thought[/I] it was a serious campaign, anyway - my players may have a different opinion. :p Giant floating turtles are from a much larger variety of sources than just NES. The aforementioned campaign world with the Tarrasque existed on the back of a giant space turtle that was loosely based on the Dragon Turtle - and strongly based on real Earth legends. Word. I don't want ANY 3.5 monsters given the axe. And I want to see ALL of the 1E and 2E critters back in. Some refinement and rules clarifications are fine, but I want 'em ALL. And I want Grues, both the elemental ones from Dragon Magazine and the darkness ones (Grue and Ur-Grue) from Zork IN THE CORE. (Won't happen, but an Implementor can dream... :lol: ) [/QUOTE]
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