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The 4e Pit Fiend Revisited
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<blockquote data-quote="ShockMeSane" data-source="post: 4184457" data-attributes="member: 64606"><p>As far as the Minions are concerned, I'm thinking its a pretty safe bet that level 21+ minions won't die to any attack as Kobold Minions do. Of course, this is complete conjecture and I could be dead wrong. If I am dead wrong, then I definitely see the point of making it enemy only <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Concerning the Pit Fiend's reaction: I have the same concern as you, that adding a reactionary attack MAY be overkill with all that ongoing damage in the form of auras, minions etc. However, as a DM I cannot see myself ever using the Charm Shield, as his summons have far more damage output/hitpoint ratio than the Pit Fiend himself. Regardless of what Minion Hp does look like at 21+, I still wouldn't be surprised to have a Wizard frost daily AoE that could hypothetically off all the minions in 1-shot.</p><p></p><p>I'm not really sure where the best middle ground on this is. Perhaps he doesn't even need a particularly useful reaction to be powerful, it's just so hard to say without really knowing what 26th level characters are capable of. I could see some kind of reaction that summons an additional Demon Legionnaire being extremely evil, though. Probably have to give it some kind of recharge so the players dont slit their wrists, though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ShockMeSane, post: 4184457, member: 64606"] As far as the Minions are concerned, I'm thinking its a pretty safe bet that level 21+ minions won't die to any attack as Kobold Minions do. Of course, this is complete conjecture and I could be dead wrong. If I am dead wrong, then I definitely see the point of making it enemy only :) Concerning the Pit Fiend's reaction: I have the same concern as you, that adding a reactionary attack MAY be overkill with all that ongoing damage in the form of auras, minions etc. However, as a DM I cannot see myself ever using the Charm Shield, as his summons have far more damage output/hitpoint ratio than the Pit Fiend himself. Regardless of what Minion Hp does look like at 21+, I still wouldn't be surprised to have a Wizard frost daily AoE that could hypothetically off all the minions in 1-shot. I'm not really sure where the best middle ground on this is. Perhaps he doesn't even need a particularly useful reaction to be powerful, it's just so hard to say without really knowing what 26th level characters are capable of. I could see some kind of reaction that summons an additional Demon Legionnaire being extremely evil, though. Probably have to give it some kind of recharge so the players dont slit their wrists, though. :) [/QUOTE]
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