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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rabindranath72" data-source="post: 9517635" data-attributes="member: 34007"><p>I think a separate thread would be helpful to avoid derail this one, but briefly:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The 3.0 DMG (not the 3.5 revision, though, for some reason!) suggests to reduce the frequency of magic items, and that there are no shops where to buy them. PF1e adopts the solution of reducing the amount of treasures by half (which, in terms of impact on the average, is the same as reducing the frequency by half.) PF1e reduces by half the sale prices in communities (instead of removing sale outright).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">PF1e doesn't have the "Power Components" variant (at least in the core book; might be in some splat?) In my experience, this has a quite big impact on the low-magic feel, because PCs can in theory still craft magic items even at reduced frequency of treasures (although at a reduced rate, because they get less money overall.) Not sure how I'd port this to PF1e since it lacks XP expenditure for magic items. I routinely use this variant in my 3.0 games (at the maximum suggested cost of 20gp per XP.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There's another tweak, which is to change the accrual rate of XPs. 3.x suggests some percentage by which to reduce XP, which also translates into a corresponding reduction in treasure (and thus magic items.) PF1e adopts two explicit scales, which are (as far as I can tell) at a 1.5 factor (the baseline XP progression is "fast"; the medium one is scaled by 1.5, the slow one scales the medium one by 1.5 again, i.e. 1.5*1.5=2.25 the fast one.) For simplicity, I adopt a scale of 2 in my 3.0 games. Note that you can combine this with a reduced frequency, to get an even bigger reduction.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you are interested in Dark Sun, Paizo/WotC published some conversion notes in Dragon and Dungeon Magazine back then. Can't recall the issues, though.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">To further hit the PCs in the pockets (so that they can't blow it all in crafting magic items), you can use the training variant (again, PF1e removed this.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">That said, magic will still be D&D-style magic, only at a massively reduced rate (and curb-stomping on the PCs ability to craft magic items witht the Power Components variant is fundamental). If you want dangerous magic, a good option is to use Call of Cthulhu d20 (written by Monte Cook and John Tyne.) I have used it to excellent effect to play Hyborian Age and pulp Sword & Sorcery campaigns using the 3.0 rules. Just remove Clerics, Paladins, and Rangers, and keep only Sorcerers or Wizards as spellcasters, BUT use the spell lists and magic and tome rules in d20 CoC.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>

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