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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gloombunny" data-source="post: 3803442" data-attributes="member: 54916">But there's no specific stuff that "makes the fighter a fighter".  A fighter has many options to choose from.  If the system can support it, there's no reason I can see for berserking not to be one of those options.Seriously, the stuff that makes the fighter a fighter is that he's very good at combat.  Barbarians do that too!Rangers are also not associated with charging into combat in an unthinking frenzy, laying waste to enemies with their mighty strength, and shrugging off brutal injuries.  Nor are barbarians associated with creeping silently through the woods to stalk their enemies.  I would say that barbarians have more in common with fighters, and rangers with rogues, than either of them have with each other.Plus, replacing the barbarian class with a berserk tree for fighters means you can use the rules for characters who don't hail from the frozen north or whatever, but have some other background that makes that fighting style suitable for them.  (Not that you can't already do that with the 3e barbarian rules, but turning the class into a ranger tree would probably make it harder to use for a city-dwelling character.)</blockquote>