Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
The 4th edition class list so far
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 3803776" data-attributes="member: 8158"><p>Don't sell yourself short. You did a pretty good job of summing up fighter-specific abilities. And we've had some indications that 4e fighters won't just be amorphous blobs of feats, but rather have some weapon styles associated with them. Perhaps one of them will be a heavy-hitting two-handed weapon style. Ain't no law saying a barbarian has to have a rage ability.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure they are. Favored enemy is often portrayed as a form of rage, and plenty of rangers charge. They have lower hit dice in 3.5e, so your part about "shrugging off injuries" is a case of circular reasoning. They're not cuurently known for stuff because they're currently not good at it. But back in the days when they got two hit dice at first level, they were some of the best shruggers around.</p><p></p><p>And outside of D&D, in fiction, there is definitely context for rangers being fierce melee combatants.</p><p></p><p></p><p>OK, at this point I have to ask if you've ever read a Conan story. Our prototypical barbarian did not just brainlessly smash doors and slam mindlessly into every foe. He was a consummate stalker, quite capable of creeping up on guards at full attention. Stealthy thief and assassin were among his many careers. </p><p></p><p>If you're solely speaking of what barbarians are associated with in D&D, then again that's just an instance of circular reasoning, because they're only associated with things they're good at. Make them good at stalking foes, and they'll become good at it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felon, post: 3803776, member: 8158"] Don't sell yourself short. You did a pretty good job of summing up fighter-specific abilities. And we've had some indications that 4e fighters won't just be amorphous blobs of feats, but rather have some weapon styles associated with them. Perhaps one of them will be a heavy-hitting two-handed weapon style. Ain't no law saying a barbarian has to have a rage ability. Sure they are. Favored enemy is often portrayed as a form of rage, and plenty of rangers charge. They have lower hit dice in 3.5e, so your part about "shrugging off injuries" is a case of circular reasoning. They're not cuurently known for stuff because they're currently not good at it. But back in the days when they got two hit dice at first level, they were some of the best shruggers around. And outside of D&D, in fiction, there is definitely context for rangers being fierce melee combatants. OK, at this point I have to ask if you've ever read a Conan story. Our prototypical barbarian did not just brainlessly smash doors and slam mindlessly into every foe. He was a consummate stalker, quite capable of creeping up on guards at full attention. Stealthy thief and assassin were among his many careers. If you're solely speaking of what barbarians are associated with in D&D, then again that's just an instance of circular reasoning, because they're only associated with things they're good at. Make them good at stalking foes, and they'll become good at it. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
The 4th edition class list so far
Top