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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9153403" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Any list that has Halt and Catch Fire can't be all bad. That's my personal #1 show this century. I'm not saying it's actually the best, though I believe it is hugely underrated and underwatched but it's certainly up there. Add in Peep Show (!?!?!?! Americans have seen this?) and I'm actually kind of impressed with this list.</p><p></p><p>Freaks and Geeks though I'm sorry should absolutely not be on top 10 (and barely top 50) of the 21st century. I feel like only nostalgia from People Of A Certain Age can possibly be the reason. It wasn't a great show, it didn't last, it didn't have a lasting impact, and I question whether it even did anything new (all imho of course). It was just very specific, and if that's why it's on there, I feel like we could do better. Skins would be a much better choice (albeit lower down the list) and I know enough Americans have seen that that it should have be considered. It's got more to say, it says it with more verve, it launched more careers (I think), and it heavily influenced a bunch of shows, including ones being made now, like Euphoria.</p><p></p><p>I think there are a number of others that absolutely will not be on this list if it was made again in 5-10 years. Specifically:</p><p>The Underground Railroad (It's good but it's not left an impact)</p><p>Station Eleven (I know some people loved this, but I just don't see it resonating longer-term - it's just a little too up itself)</p><p>Beef (which I really liked, but which is, ultimately, rather lightweight!)</p><p>Enlightened (I love Laura Dern but this show is not a long-term contender)</p><p></p><p>Huh.</p><p></p><p>That's it. That's the only ones I expect to be "forgotten by history" from this list. So, again, pretty good list.</p><p></p><p>Survivor is a tricky one, because here's the problem - it's 100% outclassed by Australian Survivor. Australian Survivor, is on all possible levels, a more entertaining, surprising, and generally compelling show (even the presenter is far more fun and charismatic and also nuclear-grade ripped). Australians were built to make this sort of nonsense entertaining in a way Americans were not. But I get the impression few Americans have seen Australian Survivor - I guarantee if more had, it could shove Survivor off this list though. Season 7 of that is maybe peak Survivor, like, everything is downhill from here. And any reality show is going to be pretty divisive - but if you're going to have one - have the very best iteration of it.</p><p></p><p>The Daily Show being on there is bizarre to me. It's not even the best exemplar of the weird super-American-middle-class genre of "guy cracks semi-amusing jokes about the news whilst also making Serious Points" (but they have to be super MoR points, politically, only things that are incredibly safe with the core audience), imho. I guess they're saying it represents that genre, but that's obviously not on, because the rest of the list doesn't work that way!</p><p></p><p>Also yeah Curb Your Enthusiasm is way better than most of the shows on this list (especially the comedies) - I "hate" cringe-reflex-based comedy, and I avoided it for years until the pandemic but it's an amazing show, just very clever and very funny.</p><p></p><p>I hate to say this but I feel 30 Rock hasn't stood the test of time. It was absolutely hysterical, but rewatching it a couple of years back, it felt way more dated and irrelevant that I had presumed. Still, it's way better than Parks and Rec so there's that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9153403, member: 18"] Any list that has Halt and Catch Fire can't be all bad. That's my personal #1 show this century. I'm not saying it's actually the best, though I believe it is hugely underrated and underwatched but it's certainly up there. Add in Peep Show (!?!?!?! Americans have seen this?) and I'm actually kind of impressed with this list. Freaks and Geeks though I'm sorry should absolutely not be on top 10 (and barely top 50) of the 21st century. I feel like only nostalgia from People Of A Certain Age can possibly be the reason. It wasn't a great show, it didn't last, it didn't have a lasting impact, and I question whether it even did anything new (all imho of course). It was just very specific, and if that's why it's on there, I feel like we could do better. Skins would be a much better choice (albeit lower down the list) and I know enough Americans have seen that that it should have be considered. It's got more to say, it says it with more verve, it launched more careers (I think), and it heavily influenced a bunch of shows, including ones being made now, like Euphoria. I think there are a number of others that absolutely will not be on this list if it was made again in 5-10 years. Specifically: The Underground Railroad (It's good but it's not left an impact) Station Eleven (I know some people loved this, but I just don't see it resonating longer-term - it's just a little too up itself) Beef (which I really liked, but which is, ultimately, rather lightweight!) Enlightened (I love Laura Dern but this show is not a long-term contender) Huh. That's it. That's the only ones I expect to be "forgotten by history" from this list. So, again, pretty good list. Survivor is a tricky one, because here's the problem - it's 100% outclassed by Australian Survivor. Australian Survivor, is on all possible levels, a more entertaining, surprising, and generally compelling show (even the presenter is far more fun and charismatic and also nuclear-grade ripped). Australians were built to make this sort of nonsense entertaining in a way Americans were not. But I get the impression few Americans have seen Australian Survivor - I guarantee if more had, it could shove Survivor off this list though. Season 7 of that is maybe peak Survivor, like, everything is downhill from here. And any reality show is going to be pretty divisive - but if you're going to have one - have the very best iteration of it. The Daily Show being on there is bizarre to me. It's not even the best exemplar of the weird super-American-middle-class genre of "guy cracks semi-amusing jokes about the news whilst also making Serious Points" (but they have to be super MoR points, politically, only things that are incredibly safe with the core audience), imho. I guess they're saying it represents that genre, but that's obviously not on, because the rest of the list doesn't work that way! Also yeah Curb Your Enthusiasm is way better than most of the shows on this list (especially the comedies) - I "hate" cringe-reflex-based comedy, and I avoided it for years until the pandemic but it's an amazing show, just very clever and very funny. I hate to say this but I feel 30 Rock hasn't stood the test of time. It was absolutely hysterical, but rewatching it a couple of years back, it felt way more dated and irrelevant that I had presumed. Still, it's way better than Parks and Rec so there's that. [/QUOTE]
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