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<blockquote data-quote="redrick" data-source="post: 6585155" data-attributes="member: 6777696">My post was largely tongue in cheek. I do think that the image is different from a standard &quot;heroic&quot; portrayal of adventurers. Describing an act as &quot;neutral&quot; isn't necessarily a critical description! Just that it's not exactly heroic to pose next to the picture of a fallen foe. So killing the dragon may have been a Good act, or it may have been an Evil act, depending on context that we don't have.I'm also not actually advocating for an adversarial relationship between DM's and player characters. Tongue in cheek! That doesn't change the fact that sometimes player characters do things that are pretty reprehensible (from an in-game perspective). Furthermore, as a GM, it is my job to create and role-play various adversaries who are very much trying to kill or hinder said player characters. Then, it is my job to rule impartially on the success of said adversaries, which generally works out with dead adversaries. Afterwards, we all hug it out.I don't have pictures of all my PCs hanging on the wall with lots of darts and knives sticking out of them. I don't think to myself every time I roll a critical hit, &quot;that one was for Kobold Jimmy! And that one was for Half-Orc Timmy! And that one was for the really nice merchant back in Adventuretown whose pocket got picked!&quot; Honest.EDITED TO ADD:Anyway, to keep this back on topic. I think the Elmore pic is a great one. I'm not sure that there's anything in the 5e art that I've seen that quite captures the same spirit. There's lots of other great artwork in those books that captures other spirits, though!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="redrick, post: 6585155, member: 6777696"] My post was largely tongue in cheek. I do think that the image is different from a standard "heroic" portrayal of adventurers. Describing an act as "neutral" isn't necessarily a critical description! Just that it's not exactly heroic to pose next to the picture of a fallen foe. So killing the dragon may have been a Good act, or it may have been an Evil act, depending on context that we don't have. I'm also not actually advocating for an adversarial relationship between DM's and player characters. Tongue in cheek! That doesn't change the fact that sometimes player characters do things that are pretty reprehensible (from an in-game perspective). Furthermore, as a GM, it is my job to create and role-play various adversaries who are very much trying to kill or hinder said player characters. Then, it is my job to rule impartially on the success of said adversaries, which generally works out with dead adversaries. Afterwards, we all hug it out. I don't have pictures of all my PCs hanging on the wall with lots of darts and knives sticking out of them. I don't think to myself every time I roll a critical hit, "that one was for Kobold Jimmy! And that one was for Half-Orc Timmy! And that one was for the really nice merchant back in Adventuretown whose pocket got picked!" Honest. EDITED TO ADD: Anyway, to keep this back on topic. I think the Elmore pic is a great one. I'm not sure that there's anything in the 5e art that I've seen that quite captures the same spirit. There's lots of other great artwork in those books that captures other spirits, though! [/QUOTE]

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