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(+)The 5e Bard Doesn't Feel Right. Help Me Fix It?
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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 7961109" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>So more like a wide-scale Bless spell? Should this boost <em>everything </em>that anyone tries to do under the effects? Or would there be more targeted options for attacks, saves, ability checks etc?</p><p>100ft range seems reasonable for singing, 10 rounds of concentration seems reasonable for a powerful performance, and 1/long rest before level 5 and 1/short rest afterwards.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps turn this "Performance" into the major class mechanic - Give it more uses and allow different riders similar to be spells to be picked. Bless, Heroism, Bane etc at low levels. Haste, Fear and Suggestion at high levels. </p><p>Even give the ability to add more riders on subsequent rounds at the cost of more uses or harder concentration checks.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Bard spells have traditionally been about fairly subtle influence and trickery. Its not always obvious that the bard is even using magic to influence or trick someone.</p><p>What spells do you believe that it is missing? Or what type of spells?</p><p></p><p> Outside of mere words like bardic inspiration, song of rest etc, is the issue that a lot of the bard's words are magical? (i.e. spells) Would a bard whose abilities weren't coded as magic fix that?</p><p></p><p> Which bits do you feel lack substance? Or what is the substance that you feel that they should have?</p><p></p><p> In a way outside of what expertise in persuasion, or performance allows? Currently Bards can do that with a little magic. Does this tie in to the "mere words" bit?</p><p></p><p>I've turned a Bard into a Warlord simply by requiring non-"flashy" spells and stating that they require the recipient to hear the warlord, but making them nonmagical. There were no major balance concerns that came up during play.</p><p></p><p>I think 5e bards are built more around the concept of the companion who keeps people's hopes up and keeps them going with encouragement, or even insults, but also pitches in when the party has to fight. Rather than the earlier concept of the gaudy fop standing to the side and singing a tune in the middle of combat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 7961109, member: 6802951"] So more like a wide-scale Bless spell? Should this boost [I]everything [/I]that anyone tries to do under the effects? Or would there be more targeted options for attacks, saves, ability checks etc? 100ft range seems reasonable for singing, 10 rounds of concentration seems reasonable for a powerful performance, and 1/long rest before level 5 and 1/short rest afterwards. Perhaps turn this "Performance" into the major class mechanic - Give it more uses and allow different riders similar to be spells to be picked. Bless, Heroism, Bane etc at low levels. Haste, Fear and Suggestion at high levels. Even give the ability to add more riders on subsequent rounds at the cost of more uses or harder concentration checks. Bard spells have traditionally been about fairly subtle influence and trickery. Its not always obvious that the bard is even using magic to influence or trick someone. What spells do you believe that it is missing? Or what type of spells? Outside of mere words like bardic inspiration, song of rest etc, is the issue that a lot of the bard's words are magical? (i.e. spells) Would a bard whose abilities weren't coded as magic fix that? Which bits do you feel lack substance? Or what is the substance that you feel that they should have? In a way outside of what expertise in persuasion, or performance allows? Currently Bards can do that with a little magic. Does this tie in to the "mere words" bit? I've turned a Bard into a Warlord simply by requiring non-"flashy" spells and stating that they require the recipient to hear the warlord, but making them nonmagical. There were no major balance concerns that came up during play. I think 5e bards are built more around the concept of the companion who keeps people's hopes up and keeps them going with encouragement, or even insults, but also pitches in when the party has to fight. Rather than the earlier concept of the gaudy fop standing to the side and singing a tune in the middle of combat. [/QUOTE]
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