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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5775384" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>Not saying that it does not happen I have read people complaining about it here enough so it must happen. I am saying that in the 30 years I have been playing I have never seen it come up in a game as an issue. </p><p></p><p>I view it as a player issue not a design issue and the people I play with have the same view. A spell like knock is in the game so that the party can operate without a rogue and while it can be used to out shine the rogue that was not why it was put in the game. </p><p></p><p>I will not deny that certain spells can really make the wizard hard to deal with take fly and improved invisibility they can really ruin a DMs day. Which is why I think making those spells harder to cast is a great idea. </p><p></p><p>I think the direction they took in 4e was not the way to fix this issue. It is one of the main reasons we only played a few sessions of it before saying nope hate it not for us and went back to 3E and then to Pathfinder.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 5775384, member: 9037"] Not saying that it does not happen I have read people complaining about it here enough so it must happen. I am saying that in the 30 years I have been playing I have never seen it come up in a game as an issue. I view it as a player issue not a design issue and the people I play with have the same view. A spell like knock is in the game so that the party can operate without a rogue and while it can be used to out shine the rogue that was not why it was put in the game. I will not deny that certain spells can really make the wizard hard to deal with take fly and improved invisibility they can really ruin a DMs day. Which is why I think making those spells harder to cast is a great idea. I think the direction they took in 4e was not the way to fix this issue. It is one of the main reasons we only played a few sessions of it before saying nope hate it not for us and went back to 3E and then to Pathfinder. [/QUOTE]
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