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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mengu" data-source="post: 5920886" data-attributes="member: 65726">The Fighter is going to deal about a sixth of the ogre's hit points in one hit at level 3. With advantage from, let's say a wizard, he has an excellent chance to hit, and with Fighter's Surge, can get two hits in, with a Cleric's Battle Psalm, you might be looking at about 36 points of damage in one turn from the fighter. The rogue can follow it up with about 20 points of damage. At 3rd level, those 88 hit points aren't going to last very long at all if the PC's expend a few resources (and facing an ogre, they'd be quite likely to use those resources).To throw another test at it, five 3rd level wizards would deal sufficient damage in about two and a half rounds with magic missile alone.88 hit points seem fine, just looking at the math. 3rd level PC's can deal with it in a few rounds, it might take an extra round for 2nd level PC's.</blockquote>