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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8992700" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Well...that's sort of my point.We went from locate city bombs and <a href="https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/The_Wish_and_the_Word_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)" target="_blank">the Wish and the Word</a> to...dealing 40% more damage than expected, or having an attack you could potentially juice up so it could kill a god in one blow if the stars aligned.That's ENORMOUS progress in terms of getting busted-ness under control. Being "busted" is both a matter of degree and a matter of kind. Your statement pretty much implies "never, ever bother trying to balance. You'll never make ANY progress, whatsoever, no matter what you do." And that's objectively untrue. A single example of a broken power certainly does not indicate that high-level gameplay is always busted, still less that it is always horrifically busted rather than just a little wonky.You'll also note that I did not say--and certainly did not mean to imply--"that high level play is never busted." I was, in fact, specifically trying to avoid saying that. Because I absolutely agree that you usually can finesse and finagle and push and prod and tweak and shift, and enough of those stacked together can lead to weirdness in much the same way that a stack of identical books can remain balanced despite having books arbitrarily far from the table...if the stack gets tall enough.*What I am saying is:(A) We can do better than we have in the past. We can learn from past mistakes, and improve.(B) Different kinds of "bustedness" exist, not just different degrees, and fixing the worst kinds is worthwhile even if the lesser kinds remain.*Each book is balanced so long as the center of mass of the stack remains above the table. The maximum distance you can push things for N books of unit length is half of the sum of the first N harmonic numbers, (0.5)(1+1/2+1/3+...+1/N) This is a divergent series, so you can get distances arbitrarily long. However, it converges with a logarithmic growth rate, meaning you need only 4 books (because half of the sum of the first 4 harmonic numbers is 1.041666...)</blockquote>

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