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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8965209" data-attributes="member: 63508">Of course there are other games.But there are more that one way to build a Dungeon or design a Dragon.It is strange that D&D is the flagbearer and entry point for fantasy dungeon crawling TTRPGs but doesn't match the style of fantasy dungeon crawling TTRPGing that new entrants and mainstream players. 5e does well something new fans don't care really for once familiar enough to create preferences. A great burger sold to salad lovers.Running a adventurers day worth of stuff on a old school dungeon or floor works so well. But my groups either kind of run from old school dungeons. Or it is hard to stay in the old school mindset for 2-4 session at the same dungeon.This ends up forcing houserules to make new school dungeons or running other games.And I find that from DMing some of it comes from preference. And some of it comes from mismatch of mechanics and mindset.  Sure I could load a fort with an adventure day worth of medium encounter goblins, hobgoblins, and bugbears. But now I have to track them and ensure they move around in logical grouping. Then you have the players who must manage character based PCs and nor equipment based PCs. All with combat that don't just last 10 minutes anymore. Then you might not finish the dungeon in one session so you have to track where you are and how many resources you have to get in the right mindset for the next session . The dungeon filling rules are made for old school play. But the rest of the game isn't. More square pegs for round holes before you even get to the humans playing</blockquote>

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