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<blockquote data-quote="Andrew Moreton" data-source="post: 7870757" data-attributes="member: 6920268"><p>I have given the players access to the Ob briefing material they will encounter next session, this is Manuels immediate response thoughts on a slow work day</p><p></p><p>Manuel</p><p>This is all very fascinating, and honestly more than a bit worrying. </p><p></p><p><strong>Guessing where the artifact / box is</strong></p><p></p><p>I'm guessing the box is under Axis island, possibly offshore, possibly submerged caverns, beneath. Logic for this is obviously the local planar weirdness (frogs!) and the planar icons we have. Which could be part of the calibrations / testing process for building new pillars for the box. Also its a neat callback and the name is a hint.</p><p></p><p><strong>Inferred summary of hos it seems to work</strong></p><p></p><p>From the OB statement (which is little more than a Pr statement)</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The ancients built an artifact machine featuring a giant gold box and 8 pillars which can alter how the planes connect to this world. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Opening the box and changing the pillars changes the connections when the box is closed, which changes the basic propertied of the world, which may change the planets too!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There are multiple aspected planes reality can be connected to, possibly these are finite and the ob has a list, possibly they are infinite.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Ob are building lamps / lighthouses to assist this transfer. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There is no control group, this is a change that will affect everything.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Possibly reality could be reset to its current configuration if damaged, however there would need to be surviving people who could / would do that.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Any reality changes that incapacitate Bourne and / or the ancient artifact machine are irreversible, as the box can't be opened and changed again if it doesn't exist or borne does not function.</li> </ul><p><strong>What we can infer from the current setup</strong></p><p></p><p>From the current configuration we can infer the the ancients altered this world to stop and hide from some external element as: </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Nem, Plane of Death.</strong> Its trait is Annihilation, and it destroys any who try to travel from our star system of planes to the outer multiverse, and vice versa. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Apet, Plane of Space</strong>. The Distant Plane is responsible for keeping our world and its bonded planes far from the rest of the multiverse and less likely to attract extraplanar attention.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Urim, Plane of Earth</strong>. This golden world has fractured into many pieces, but its trait — Barrier — causes gold in our world to block teleportation.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Mavisha, Plane of Water</strong>. Its trait is Mystery, and it is responsible for the many islands that dot the world with their various secrets. We think this trait can be easily abandoned.</li> </ul><p>Which fits with the legend of Oswin and his golden legions invading, the stranded legions of the demonocracy etc.</p><p></p><p><strong>Interesting unanswered questions:</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How soon after doing this did the Ancient civilisation decline? I suspect they altered something that broke them (possibly a law / cooperation aspect) which cause them to fragment into the modern day orcs / goblinoids with there more chaotic society and lower mental stats. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Are the ancient temples the lantern equivalents of the ancients? If not why does the Ob think it needs lanterns?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The ancient temples has weird partial gate things, are these part of distributing the planar energy change or a bunker to survive it?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Ob believe the plane of Avilona (Air) was damaged, we have seen the temple of air was damaged by Kasa-whats her name (big eladrin sorceress) on a time frame that fits flight breaking. So either the Ob is wrong, the Ob is lying, the ancient temples can attune to a plane sufficient to damage it when they are damaged (this is terrifying), its a composite between damage to the plane and temple or its the worlds most suspicious coincidence.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A lot of the Ob seems to be undead (27 ghosts & founder Nicodemus) these will have an interest in the plane of life, which does not seem to have been declared. So the Ob has an interest in maintaining a world where sentient undead are possible. Is there a secret undead world agenda? </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The different factions of reality engineers working to complex philosophical goals imply either a deep, nuanced understanding of the artifact, the additional planes and how these would composite to change the world. Or (more likely) immense hubris. What evidence have the Ob got they can do this without utterly devastating everything? Do they have information on previous pre-ancient configurations? Where is this confidence from? </li> </ul><p><strong>Guesses on Vital Planes for Borne to function</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Bourne is vital to make changes to the artifact currently. Any change that incapacitates him prevents reverting or further changes. Once the changes procedure starts he is vital.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Jiese, Plane of Fire.</strong> Its trait is Cunning. The fire from this plane is less destructive than a typical elemental world, and its Flames can be used intelligently, like a tool. Our scholars suspect most worlds never achieve the industrial revolution ours has because they lack this trait. Changing this plane might stymie technological progress (required for technology).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> <strong>Av, Plane of Life</strong>. This glassy hollow world is our moon and has the traits of Reflection and Dream. It allows our world to have the two parallel planes of fey and darkness, The Dreaming and The Bleak Gate. Changing this world would remove those planes and might have consequences involving dreams and undead. (required for Bornes witch oil power source to function)</li> </ul><p><strong>Manuels perspective</strong></p><p></p><p>Manuel would very much like to be able to tinker with the basic properties of creation! There is so much you could do! However he is aware that:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Experimenting with yourself guarantees you are working with an idiot.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Getting experimental consent forms for the entire world is going to be impossible.</li> </ul><p>So Manuel is reluctantly concluding stopping any tinkering is the correct approach until there is very strong evidence that the planar changes are easily controllable, extremely predictable, fully reversible and have occurred historically without massive death and disruption. While the current world is not perfect its far better than say "Endless Zombie without free will world". Something which I think the Ob has a decent chance of achieving by accident. Manuel is a "no change" vote.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andrew Moreton, post: 7870757, member: 6920268"] I have given the players access to the Ob briefing material they will encounter next session, this is Manuels immediate response thoughts on a slow work day Manuel This is all very fascinating, and honestly more than a bit worrying. [B]Guessing where the artifact / box is[/B] I'm guessing the box is under Axis island, possibly offshore, possibly submerged caverns, beneath. Logic for this is obviously the local planar weirdness (frogs!) and the planar icons we have. Which could be part of the calibrations / testing process for building new pillars for the box. Also its a neat callback and the name is a hint. [B]Inferred summary of hos it seems to work[/B] From the OB statement (which is little more than a Pr statement) [LIST] [*]The ancients built an artifact machine featuring a giant gold box and 8 pillars which can alter how the planes connect to this world. [*]Opening the box and changing the pillars changes the connections when the box is closed, which changes the basic propertied of the world, which may change the planets too! [*]There are multiple aspected planes reality can be connected to, possibly these are finite and the ob has a list, possibly they are infinite. [*]The Ob are building lamps / lighthouses to assist this transfer. [*]There is no control group, this is a change that will affect everything. [*]Possibly reality could be reset to its current configuration if damaged, however there would need to be surviving people who could / would do that. [*]Any reality changes that incapacitate Bourne and / or the ancient artifact machine are irreversible, as the box can't be opened and changed again if it doesn't exist or borne does not function. [/LIST] [B]What we can infer from the current setup[/B] From the current configuration we can infer the the ancients altered this world to stop and hide from some external element as: [LIST] [*][B]Nem, Plane of Death.[/B] Its trait is Annihilation, and it destroys any who try to travel from our star system of planes to the outer multiverse, and vice versa. [*][B]Apet, Plane of Space[/B]. The Distant Plane is responsible for keeping our world and its bonded planes far from the rest of the multiverse and less likely to attract extraplanar attention. [*][B]Urim, Plane of Earth[/B]. This golden world has fractured into many pieces, but its trait — Barrier — causes gold in our world to block teleportation. [*][B]Mavisha, Plane of Water[/B]. Its trait is Mystery, and it is responsible for the many islands that dot the world with their various secrets. We think this trait can be easily abandoned. [/LIST] Which fits with the legend of Oswin and his golden legions invading, the stranded legions of the demonocracy etc. [B]Interesting unanswered questions:[/B] [LIST] [*]How soon after doing this did the Ancient civilisation decline? I suspect they altered something that broke them (possibly a law / cooperation aspect) which cause them to fragment into the modern day orcs / goblinoids with there more chaotic society and lower mental stats. [*]Are the ancient temples the lantern equivalents of the ancients? If not why does the Ob think it needs lanterns? [*]The ancient temples has weird partial gate things, are these part of distributing the planar energy change or a bunker to survive it? [*]The Ob believe the plane of Avilona (Air) was damaged, we have seen the temple of air was damaged by Kasa-whats her name (big eladrin sorceress) on a time frame that fits flight breaking. So either the Ob is wrong, the Ob is lying, the ancient temples can attune to a plane sufficient to damage it when they are damaged (this is terrifying), its a composite between damage to the plane and temple or its the worlds most suspicious coincidence. [*]A lot of the Ob seems to be undead (27 ghosts & founder Nicodemus) these will have an interest in the plane of life, which does not seem to have been declared. So the Ob has an interest in maintaining a world where sentient undead are possible. Is there a secret undead world agenda? [*]The different factions of reality engineers working to complex philosophical goals imply either a deep, nuanced understanding of the artifact, the additional planes and how these would composite to change the world. Or (more likely) immense hubris. What evidence have the Ob got they can do this without utterly devastating everything? Do they have information on previous pre-ancient configurations? Where is this confidence from? [/LIST] [B]Guesses on Vital Planes for Borne to function [/B] Bourne is vital to make changes to the artifact currently. Any change that incapacitates him prevents reverting or further changes. Once the changes procedure starts he is vital. [LIST] [*][B]Jiese, Plane of Fire.[/B] Its trait is Cunning. The fire from this plane is less destructive than a typical elemental world, and its Flames can be used intelligently, like a tool. Our scholars suspect most worlds never achieve the industrial revolution ours has because they lack this trait. Changing this plane might stymie technological progress (required for technology). [*] [B]Av, Plane of Life[/B]. This glassy hollow world is our moon and has the traits of Reflection and Dream. It allows our world to have the two parallel planes of fey and darkness, The Dreaming and The Bleak Gate. Changing this world would remove those planes and might have consequences involving dreams and undead. (required for Bornes witch oil power source to function) [/LIST] [B]Manuels perspective[/B] Manuel would very much like to be able to tinker with the basic properties of creation! There is so much you could do! However he is aware that: [LIST] [*]Experimenting with yourself guarantees you are working with an idiot. [*]Getting experimental consent forms for the entire world is going to be impossible. [/LIST] So Manuel is reluctantly concluding stopping any tinkering is the correct approach until there is very strong evidence that the planar changes are easily controllable, extremely predictable, fully reversible and have occurred historically without massive death and disruption. While the current world is not perfect its far better than say "Endless Zombie without free will world". Something which I think the Ob has a decent chance of achieving by accident. Manuel is a "no change" vote. [/QUOTE]
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