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The AI Red Scare is only harming artists and needs to stop.
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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9371407" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>So what? There is no obvious reason why they should be. Again, if the text and images had been produced by a human without a tool, then they would be obviously unique and creative works. So how does the fact that a tool was used change the fact that the results are unique and creative. If it was legal for someone to read or view the work, and that reading or viewing required the temporary creation of a copy of that work (as everything on the internet does) then how was scanning it with a tool and keeping only a temporary copy a violation of copyright? </p><p></p><p>I get it. It's new. It's scary. This is a novel situation in the history of humankind. But this is less of a copyright violation than if Data checked a book out of the library and read it at superspeed, because Data would be storying a copy of the book in his digital mind if he did that and the machines that read these books or scanned this art didn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I thought I'd already dispensed with this through practical experiment. It's clear that publicly available AI is well aware of Disney's trademarked and copyrighted content and has almost certainly included it in its training in some fashion. Moreover, as far as I know the major AI players have not disclosed their training sets and treat them as proprietary, so I'm not sure where this idea that the AI image creators can't rip Disney's works come from. Certainly, a lot of images inspired by Stars Wars - a Disney IP - have created using publicly available image generators without custom data sets, because I've created some myself for my own games. So, as far as I can tell by practical experience, googling this topic, and observing what is out there in AI art, you are misinformed and spreading misinformation.</p><p></p><p>UPDATE: By way of reference to what I mean here is a zany, stupid, image not worth publishing of a camel flying an X-Wing fighter, but which illustrates that leading AI generators know a lot about Disney copyright works:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9371407, member: 4937"] So what? There is no obvious reason why they should be. Again, if the text and images had been produced by a human without a tool, then they would be obviously unique and creative works. So how does the fact that a tool was used change the fact that the results are unique and creative. If it was legal for someone to read or view the work, and that reading or viewing required the temporary creation of a copy of that work (as everything on the internet does) then how was scanning it with a tool and keeping only a temporary copy a violation of copyright? I get it. It's new. It's scary. This is a novel situation in the history of humankind. But this is less of a copyright violation than if Data checked a book out of the library and read it at superspeed, because Data would be storying a copy of the book in his digital mind if he did that and the machines that read these books or scanned this art didn't. I thought I'd already dispensed with this through practical experiment. It's clear that publicly available AI is well aware of Disney's trademarked and copyrighted content and has almost certainly included it in its training in some fashion. Moreover, as far as I know the major AI players have not disclosed their training sets and treat them as proprietary, so I'm not sure where this idea that the AI image creators can't rip Disney's works come from. Certainly, a lot of images inspired by Stars Wars - a Disney IP - have created using publicly available image generators without custom data sets, because I've created some myself for my own games. So, as far as I can tell by practical experience, googling this topic, and observing what is out there in AI art, you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. UPDATE: By way of reference to what I mean here is a zany, stupid, image not worth publishing of a camel flying an X-Wing fighter, but which illustrates that leading AI generators know a lot about Disney copyright works: [/QUOTE]
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