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The AI Red Scare is only harming artists and needs to stop.
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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 9374762" data-attributes="member: 50987"><p>Completely agree, especially with the parts about long-term consequence. I'd carefully like to remind everyone that it wasn't <em>automation </em>that ended child labor, workplace hazards, sweatshops, and other bad practices....it was pushback from labor unions, organized community involvement, public awareness campaigns, and government regulation. Historically, corporations tend to embrace automation as a last resort.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Value, price--like I said, the wording varies from person to person. And I appreciate that you use both terms very well: Value (how much something is worth to someone) and Price (the amount that is paid for the finished work.) But your questions aren't very helpful.</p><p></p><p>It's hard to know if a piece of art has enough value to justify its price. The <em>value</em> will depend on who needs the piece of art done, and what they intend to use it for, and how urgently they need it. The <em>price </em>of that commission will vary, too, depending on the artist's schedule, the number of iterations the client requests, the materials that are used, and whether or not the artist retains control and ownership of the finished work.</p><p></p><p>But I won't dodge the question, I'll answer it: yes. The artwork has to have enough value to justify its price, otherwise the artist won't get hired to do the work, and then the artwork won't exist. I told you, it's not a helpful answer. $20 worth of chicken is easy to measure; $20 worth of artwork isn't.</p><p></p><p>Instead of consumable <em>products</em>, maybe it's better to compare it to other highly-trained, skilled<em> labor</em>. Is welding worth $100/hour? Well, that depends on what's being welded, and by whom, and where, and the strength the weld needs to have. Is carpentry worth $100/hour? That depends also: are we adding a door, building a backyard deck, or moving a staircase? Is it getting built out of plywood from Home Depot, or imported hardwood from Europe? Many factors will affect the price, and most people understand that. But if these services are understood to vary in price, and are understood to be worth ~$100/hour, why shouldn't artwork be?</p><p></p><p>I think it's because people no longer value art. That's not to say people don't enjoy art, or want art, or need art...they just aren't willing to pay for it.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: I'm stressing myself out with memories of the early 2000s, when I was a struggling freelance artist. Hoo boy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 9374762, member: 50987"] Completely agree, especially with the parts about long-term consequence. I'd carefully like to remind everyone that it wasn't [I]automation [/I]that ended child labor, workplace hazards, sweatshops, and other bad practices....it was pushback from labor unions, organized community involvement, public awareness campaigns, and government regulation. Historically, corporations tend to embrace automation as a last resort. Value, price--like I said, the wording varies from person to person. And I appreciate that you use both terms very well: Value (how much something is worth to someone) and Price (the amount that is paid for the finished work.) But your questions aren't very helpful. It's hard to know if a piece of art has enough value to justify its price. The [I]value[/I] will depend on who needs the piece of art done, and what they intend to use it for, and how urgently they need it. The [I]price [/I]of that commission will vary, too, depending on the artist's schedule, the number of iterations the client requests, the materials that are used, and whether or not the artist retains control and ownership of the finished work. But I won't dodge the question, I'll answer it: yes. The artwork has to have enough value to justify its price, otherwise the artist won't get hired to do the work, and then the artwork won't exist. I told you, it's not a helpful answer. $20 worth of chicken is easy to measure; $20 worth of artwork isn't. Instead of consumable [I]products[/I], maybe it's better to compare it to other highly-trained, skilled[I] labor[/I]. Is welding worth $100/hour? Well, that depends on what's being welded, and by whom, and where, and the strength the weld needs to have. Is carpentry worth $100/hour? That depends also: are we adding a door, building a backyard deck, or moving a staircase? Is it getting built out of plywood from Home Depot, or imported hardwood from Europe? Many factors will affect the price, and most people understand that. But if these services are understood to vary in price, and are understood to be worth ~$100/hour, why shouldn't artwork be? I think it's because people no longer value art. That's not to say people don't enjoy art, or want art, or need art...they just aren't willing to pay for it. EDIT: I'm stressing myself out with memories of the early 2000s, when I was a struggling freelance artist. Hoo boy. [/QUOTE]
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