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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9375666" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>Nice strawman, Umbran. Time to torch it. And go way overboard on the technicalities, since you've triggered Pedant Mode.</p><p></p><p>With the exception of physical proximity to a tangible original, ALL, and I do mean ALL other forms of access require copying at some level.</p><p></p><p>This page doesn't actually even exist as a singular page; it's generated on the fly by the server from a bunch of database entries (1 per post, 1 or more per poster, the topic entry record, as well, and the topics access records). Once it's created the HTML, it copies it into a series of network packets that get copied machine to machine until they get to my machine, where they get reassembled into either memory or a file on storage medium, and then the HTML is transformed into the image file on my machine which dynamically updates as I type this response.</p><p></p><p>The act of copying is inherent in electronic media.</p><p></p><p>If the original art is a paint file on the artist's computer, it's been created in memory, then compressed, and the compressed copy stored on the storage drive as a file (which is a combination of raw data, and an entry on a database so the raw data can be found). For them to see it, it' has to be copied back to memory, usually decompressing it at the time.</p><p></p><p>For me to watch the Taylor Swift video on Disney+, they had to copy the master to their servers (plural)... and one of them sends me copies of chunks as I watch; the software does delete them from memory after they've been seen... but to see it, I was seeing partial copies.</p><p></p><p>Even Audio CD and DAT have to copy to produce the sound - mind you, they tend to store fractions of a second to single digit seconds of audio in what's called the "read ahead buffer" ... which is just a chunk of RAM holding a small partial copy of the data from the CD or DAT... the worst ones hold about 1/100 sec - while some of the better ones hold upwards of 5 sec in the RAB RAM.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, playing an MP3 file from my drive still has to copy a Read Ahead Buffer's worth continuously to actually fit the waveforms.</p><p></p><p>The act of copying it for use is of need not in and of itself a violation of copyright, because it's prerequisite for almost all uses of the material covered.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and getting the material from memory to screen? That involves sending data to the screen, which is also a copying process. </p><p></p><p>And, technically, due to persistence of vision, you've got a copy stored in your optical physiology of everything you see, for at least 1/60 second, as the cells can't fire again for a certain amount of time after firing. Vision is literally based upon that neural copy from the rods and cones... So, at an absurd level, even direct vision of a tangible original in visual proximity is still an act of copying, since there's little evidence of neural processing in the eye itself, only recording and transmitting in different medium the stimulus, itself a reflection (literally) of the tangible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9375666, member: 6779310"] Nice strawman, Umbran. Time to torch it. And go way overboard on the technicalities, since you've triggered Pedant Mode. With the exception of physical proximity to a tangible original, ALL, and I do mean ALL other forms of access require copying at some level. This page doesn't actually even exist as a singular page; it's generated on the fly by the server from a bunch of database entries (1 per post, 1 or more per poster, the topic entry record, as well, and the topics access records). Once it's created the HTML, it copies it into a series of network packets that get copied machine to machine until they get to my machine, where they get reassembled into either memory or a file on storage medium, and then the HTML is transformed into the image file on my machine which dynamically updates as I type this response. The act of copying is inherent in electronic media. If the original art is a paint file on the artist's computer, it's been created in memory, then compressed, and the compressed copy stored on the storage drive as a file (which is a combination of raw data, and an entry on a database so the raw data can be found). For them to see it, it' has to be copied back to memory, usually decompressing it at the time. For me to watch the Taylor Swift video on Disney+, they had to copy the master to their servers (plural)... and one of them sends me copies of chunks as I watch; the software does delete them from memory after they've been seen... but to see it, I was seeing partial copies. Even Audio CD and DAT have to copy to produce the sound - mind you, they tend to store fractions of a second to single digit seconds of audio in what's called the "read ahead buffer" ... which is just a chunk of RAM holding a small partial copy of the data from the CD or DAT... the worst ones hold about 1/100 sec - while some of the better ones hold upwards of 5 sec in the RAB RAM. Likewise, playing an MP3 file from my drive still has to copy a Read Ahead Buffer's worth continuously to actually fit the waveforms. The act of copying it for use is of need not in and of itself a violation of copyright, because it's prerequisite for almost all uses of the material covered. Oh, and getting the material from memory to screen? That involves sending data to the screen, which is also a copying process. And, technically, due to persistence of vision, you've got a copy stored in your optical physiology of everything you see, for at least 1/60 second, as the cells can't fire again for a certain amount of time after firing. Vision is literally based upon that neural copy from the rods and cones... So, at an absurd level, even direct vision of a tangible original in visual proximity is still an act of copying, since there's little evidence of neural processing in the eye itself, only recording and transmitting in different medium the stimulus, itself a reflection (literally) of the tangible. [/QUOTE]
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