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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9375760" data-attributes="member: 177">Sorry, but it isn't a strawman.  It is the actual technical operation of the thing.Don't blame me.  Blame the RIAA.  They're the ones who made the argument, and it is a large part of what took down Napster just about a quarter-century ago.  I am sorry if you find arguments used in the major precedent-setting legal cases on the matter to be strawmen.  But they are what we must contend with, regardless of your opinion.Yes, that's exactly the point.  You are making my argument for me.  First, you complain that I was pedantic, now you require it?  Fine.When you buy an MP3, your license to the content includes all relevant electronic processes necessary for you to listen to the music.  When you haven't bought the MP3, or haven't engaged a system that has acquired rights to present the work to you (like, say, Spotify) you don't have license to make electronic copies.When you write something on EN World, your agreements include all relevant copies for a human to read your posts - but no more than that.  So, scraping EN World for content to train a LLM would be a violation of copyright.Copying the content to train an AI is not, to date, considered "Fair Use".  Nor is it included in the license or agreements used in internet systems to show content to people.  So, you cannot make electronic copies to do it without permission.  All the rest of your verbiage around this is then extraneous.</blockquote>

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