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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9285841" data-attributes="member: 42582">For me, this raises a question, or perhaps its better to say it generates an implication, that I've often pointed to in contrasting Gygax's PHB with his DMG.Gygax's PHB concludes (prior to its appendices) with a discussion of Successful Adventuring. This includes play advice, which is based mostly around the idea of first, scout and map some part of the dungeon so as to identify an objective for a raid, and then prepare for the raid, and undertake it, very purposefully. The premise of this advice is that rooms are keyed, so that at the first stage the players can (in effect) reveal the key, and then at the second stage, act on that knowledge.The advice becomes useless if the key is not stable. Gygax in his DMG gives advice about &quot;living&quot; and &quot;responsive&quot; dungeon&quot; which will have the effect of making the key not stable. This undermines the advice he gave a year earlier in his PHB.The idea of &quot;adversary rosters&quot; seems to me to raise a similar concern: it makes it hard for the players to obtain reliable information about the dungeon, which they can then plan around.Have I missed something? Is there some other workaround I've not noticed? Or is the idea of players reveal the key, then prep and act on that knowledge not an element of the play in which adversary rosters figure?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9285841, member: 42582"] For me, this raises a question, or perhaps its better to say it generates an implication, that I've often pointed to in contrasting Gygax's PHB with his DMG. Gygax's PHB concludes (prior to its appendices) with a discussion of Successful Adventuring. This includes play advice, which is based mostly around the idea of [I]first[/I], scout and map some part of the dungeon so as to identify an objective for a raid, [I]and then[/I] prepare for the raid, and undertake it, very purposefully. The premise of this advice is that rooms are keyed, so that at the first stage the players can (in effect) reveal the key, and then at the second stage, act on that knowledge. The advice becomes useless if the key is not stable. Gygax in his DMG gives advice about "living" and "responsive" dungeon" which will have the effect of making the key not stable. This undermines the advice he gave a year earlier in his PHB. The idea of "adversary rosters" seems to me to raise a similar concern: it makes it hard for the players to obtain reliable information about the dungeon, which they can then plan around. Have I missed something? Is there some other workaround I've not noticed? Or is the idea of [I]players reveal the key, then prep and act on that knowledge[/I] not an element of the play in which adversary rosters figure? [/QUOTE]

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