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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 452708" data-attributes="member: 957">Fair enough.  I certainly tend to focus on GvE.  For example, I don't have much problem with a paladin and a CG Barbarian working together to stamp out evil.  But I do have a hard time seeing the same paladin teaming with a LE necromancer to stamp out a force of chaos.  (Not to detour into paladins, I am assuming a "standard" paladin.  The uncommon hyper Lawful paladin may be an exception.)There is certainly a clear distinction between justice and law.In the BoTR Maal is described as LN "though his laws are perfect and wise and would be thoguht to be 'good' were they the laws of any mortal realm."   Though I like BoTR, I found this to be a cheap and unsatisfactory work-around.  If there is a perfect set of laws by which true good may be defined, then CG can never really be as good as LG.  This hand waving instantly equates justice with law.  Not at all true.  For instance, to move back to the real world, the American justice system is intentionally defined to place law before justice.  The concepts of innocent until proven guilty and freedom from double jepardy both tend to thwart justice in the pursuit of what the founding fathers felt was a higher good.  So people who commit crimes sometimes go free, (thus thwarting true justice), but a free society is maintained.By that standard, I can not define Batman as Lawful anything.  Batman's attitude (usually) is innocent until I am confident you are guilty.  Then I will see that you are punished, either by the legal system, or by me, but you WILL be punished.  Law is only imprtant to Batman when it serves justice as he sees it.</blockquote>

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