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<blockquote data-quote="Coroc" data-source="post: 7977392" data-attributes="member: 6895991"><p>There have been lots of such example for alignment in the various PHB and DMG over the editions and in other sources, I even found it in manuals of D&D computer games.</p><p></p><p>Most of them and yours have one error in common: </p><p></p><p>You intermingle modern (RL) ethics with eternal (RL) natural laws, ignore circumstances, ignore knowledge, justice system and religion and ethos of a medieval or antique society, but in your case add something which we at least partially would consider racism IRL (I do not condemn these stereotypical stuff for gaming, it is just to evaluate this long list a bit better)</p><p></p><p>Examples for that and some RL comparisons:</p><p></p><p>Torture: Although there always were some perverts or sadistic folks, who would torture just out of pleasure (which in fact is a clear indicator for CE or at least NE alignment, in some rare cases of mental illness also CN) the main purpose of torture in former times was to gain information or evidence.</p><p>The misconception was, that an individual would not lie if subjected to torture. But it was common belief back then (RL) and to some extend holds truth. </p><p>Today (normal people) condemn torture, because the ethics say it is better to let 100 criminals run than to punish an innocent.</p><p>Torture also could be (part of a) punishment, but the information gathering in a world without modern criminalistics methods was its main purpose.</p><p></p><p>I will add to this post later</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coroc, post: 7977392, member: 6895991"] There have been lots of such example for alignment in the various PHB and DMG over the editions and in other sources, I even found it in manuals of D&D computer games. Most of them and yours have one error in common: You intermingle modern (RL) ethics with eternal (RL) natural laws, ignore circumstances, ignore knowledge, justice system and religion and ethos of a medieval or antique society, but in your case add something which we at least partially would consider racism IRL (I do not condemn these stereotypical stuff for gaming, it is just to evaluate this long list a bit better) Examples for that and some RL comparisons: Torture: Although there always were some perverts or sadistic folks, who would torture just out of pleasure (which in fact is a clear indicator for CE or at least NE alignment, in some rare cases of mental illness also CN) the main purpose of torture in former times was to gain information or evidence. The misconception was, that an individual would not lie if subjected to torture. But it was common belief back then (RL) and to some extend holds truth. Today (normal people) condemn torture, because the ethics say it is better to let 100 criminals run than to punish an innocent. Torture also could be (part of a) punishment, but the information gathering in a world without modern criminalistics methods was its main purpose. I will add to this post later [/QUOTE]
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