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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 847839" data-attributes="member: 3051">I thought of limiting them by level, but it just isn't that unbalanced in the long run in practice.I probably should have mentioned that our campaign uses a different weapon proficiency system than the core rules, which slightly nerfs some classes (including Paladins and Rangers).From the sound of it, you're objecting to the Steady Pace ability, but:> The Horseshoes of a Zephyr, which it's imitating, only cost 3000gp.  Not a tiny amount, but not enough to deter people.> It's almost verbatim the level 8 and level 10 abilities of the spell Phantom Steed, a 3rd-level spell.  Or, you can view the "move over water" part as the 3rd-level Cleric spell Water Walk> By the time you can take that ability, the Wizards and Sorcerers in the group are already using Fly.So, even if it's not quite appropriate for a level 7 ability, I wouldn't move it much further down the line.  The problem is, if the mounts DON'T get this sort of movement capability, they just end up getting left behind.  How many high-level groups Wind Walk everywhere, with the occasional Teleport?  So, I'd rather err on the side of "too soon" than "too late", but it's a fine line.It also saves some headaches if I don't have to limit certain abilities to certain levels.One thing to note: even though these sound like a lot of abilities, compare a horse-based Mount using these rules to a Celestial Warhorse-based mount using the old rules:  as a 10-HD creature the Celestial Warhorse would have Acid 15, Cold 15, Electrical 15, and DR 10/+3.  It'd have Improved Evasion, SR 20, and Smite Evil.  It'd receive a +10 Natural Armor boost, +4 STR, and have an INT of 9.Coincidentally, using the Build-A-Mount system, you'd have +9 Natural Armor, 7 points to put into stats (starting from an INT of 8), SR 20.  You'd have 7 Special Abilities; 1 gives you Improved Evasion, 1 gives extra resistances to be comparable to the Celestial template, 3 give you DR 15/+3, and one gives Smite Chaos.  At this point, you're pretty much even with the Celestial Warhorse, with 1 spare Special Ability.Except, you have less HP/saves/BAB since the Hit Dice weren't changed retroactively, so that means you're pretty much dead even with the Paladin who waited ONE LEVEL to take a Celestial horse.</blockquote>

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