The Alt. Mystic Theurge Thread
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Here are mine :
1) The cleric/wizard PRC
This one is for those clerics who worship gods of magic.
Prerequisite :
*ability to cast 2nd level divine and arcane spell
*Spellcraft 9 ranks
*Knowledge arcana 9 ranks
*Skill focus Spellcraft
*Magic cleric domain
Class feature :
Hit dice : D6
Spell per day : + 1 level of divine spellcaster per level
*Divine magician : at first level, and each odd level thereafter, choose one school of magic : wizards/sorcerers spells from this school are added to the cleric spell list. These spells do suffer from arcane spell failure due to armor penalty.
2)The wizard/cleric PRC
Hummm... hallowed mage all the way. Or something like that.
1) The cleric/wizard PRC
This one is for those clerics who worship gods of magic.
Prerequisite :
*ability to cast 2nd level divine and arcane spell
*Spellcraft 9 ranks
*Knowledge arcana 9 ranks
*Skill focus Spellcraft
*Magic cleric domain
Class feature :
Hit dice : D6
Spell per day : + 1 level of divine spellcaster per level
*Divine magician : at first level, and each odd level thereafter, choose one school of magic : wizards/sorcerers spells from this school are added to the cleric spell list. These spells do suffer from arcane spell failure due to armor penalty.
2)The wizard/cleric PRC
Hummm... hallowed mage all the way. Or something like that.
Chacal
First Post
Oops , I saw this one too late...
I really prefer using a game mechanics for "fixing" the spellcasters multiclassing problem.
BTW, I think your PrC looks like a feat (except sadly you can't reduce HD with a feat
).
I think giving the whole schools is quite unfair to the arcane casters that have a limited list only (and have to pay for more).
Maybe swapping spells from the clerical list with arcane spells could almost be ok.
<knee-jerk reaction>Bad munchkins clerics, bad !</knee-jerk reaction>
Chacal
I really prefer using a game mechanics for "fixing" the spellcasters multiclassing problem.
BTW, I think your PrC looks like a feat (except sadly you can't reduce HD with a feat
). I think giving the whole schools is quite unfair to the arcane casters that have a limited list only (and have to pay for more).
Maybe swapping spells from the clerical list with arcane spells could almost be ok.
<knee-jerk reaction>Bad munchkins clerics, bad !</knee-jerk reaction>
Chacal
Psion
Adventurer
My likely version will be tuned to accomodate the few faiths with more arcane traditions in my game world, and pull a few levels out.
The MT is pretty weak, but gets pretty strong at levels 8-10. So what I'd likely do is make a progession like:
Good will save, poor all others, poor bab
Level / Ability
1 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster / Special Ability 1
2 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
3 +1 divine caster / Special Ability 2
4 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
5 +1 arcane caster / Special Ability 3
6 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
7 +1 divine caster / Special Ability 4
8 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
9 +1 arcane caster / Special Ability 5
10 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
Where special abilities 1-5 are unique to each religion.
The MT is pretty weak, but gets pretty strong at levels 8-10. So what I'd likely do is make a progession like:
Good will save, poor all others, poor bab
Level / Ability
1 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster / Special Ability 1
2 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
3 +1 divine caster / Special Ability 2
4 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
5 +1 arcane caster / Special Ability 3
6 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
7 +1 divine caster / Special Ability 4
8 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
9 +1 arcane caster / Special Ability 5
10 +1 divine caster / +1 arcane caster
Where special abilities 1-5 are unique to each religion.
Chacal
First Post
Psion said:
There are some house rules that try to change the way spellcasting progression work, and I'm not sure they're breaking something fundamental to the game, because I don't think that the non-stacking of spellcasting progression is necessary to make DnD work.
If the only way to "break" some multiclassing hindrances that are considered too heavy is taking a specific PrC, then access to other flavorful PrCs is lost.
Chacal
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Gez
First Post
My own MT is pretty much like yours, Psion, except that I give nothing else than spellcasting levels...
BAB: puny
Saves: fort puny, ref puny, will puny (unless the stacking of +2s from first levels change with 3.5, in this case, good Will save).
Spellcasting:
1 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
2 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
3 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
4 nothing, ahahah
5 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
6 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
7 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
8 nothing, ahahah
9 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
10 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
On the other hand, I would add Use Magic Device on their skill list. Ehehe, they would nearly never nead it anyway.
BAB: puny
Saves: fort puny, ref puny, will puny (unless the stacking of +2s from first levels change with 3.5, in this case, good Will save).
Spellcasting:
1 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
2 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
3 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
4 nothing, ahahah
5 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
6 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
7 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
8 nothing, ahahah
9 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
10 +1 arcane spellcaster level, +1 divine spellcaster level
On the other hand, I would add Use Magic Device on their skill list. Ehehe, they would nearly never nead it anyway.
fuindordm
Adventurer
Theurgist
My own version was bandied about the House Rules board a while ago. It's not a true C/MU mix, though, more of a prestige class appropriate for gods of magic.
IIRC, it went something like this:
Prereqs: 2rd level arcane spells, 3nd level divine spells, Magic domain, Arcana 10 ranks.
BAB, saves as wizard.
L1: Theurgy Domain: a do-it-yourself domain containing one arcane spell per level up to the highest divine level that you can cast. You have to make a spellcraft roll to gain the spell. Spells in this domain are divine spells for you.
Every level: +1 spellcasting level for your divine class.
L3,5,7,9: add 4th,5th,6th,7th level spells to Theurgy domain. (You can only advance to higher level spells in the Theurgy domain by improving this class; if you advance in cleric you're stuck with a domain that stops at 3rd level.)
L4: Improved counterspelling
There was a high-level special ability in there too, but I forget what it was.
--Ben
My own version was bandied about the House Rules board a while ago. It's not a true C/MU mix, though, more of a prestige class appropriate for gods of magic.
IIRC, it went something like this:
Prereqs: 2rd level arcane spells, 3nd level divine spells, Magic domain, Arcana 10 ranks.
BAB, saves as wizard.
L1: Theurgy Domain: a do-it-yourself domain containing one arcane spell per level up to the highest divine level that you can cast. You have to make a spellcraft roll to gain the spell. Spells in this domain are divine spells for you.
Every level: +1 spellcasting level for your divine class.
L3,5,7,9: add 4th,5th,6th,7th level spells to Theurgy domain. (You can only advance to higher level spells in the Theurgy domain by improving this class; if you advance in cleric you're stuck with a domain that stops at 3rd level.)
L4: Improved counterspelling
There was a high-level special ability in there too, but I forget what it was.
--Ben
Andion Isurand
First Post
well, if I was forced to work with this class (God forbid)...........
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*I would remove all of its BAB advancement.
Thats right, your BAB does not improve at all for this PrC.
*Secondly, I would reduce the class skills to these four skills:
Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Religon), Spellcraft
* I would then make the prerequisites more difficult to meet.
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From there, I'm not sure what else I would do, although I know I need to do one more thing.
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*I would remove all of its BAB advancement.
Thats right, your BAB does not improve at all for this PrC.
*Secondly, I would reduce the class skills to these four skills:
Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Religon), Spellcraft
* I would then make the prerequisites more difficult to meet.
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From there, I'm not sure what else I would do, although I know I need to do one more thing.
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