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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 94712" data-attributes="member: 2358">I believe I have the answer you are all looking for.  As for you, Caliban, I know you and I have had our disagreements, but I think even you will find my thoughts on this to be rather interesting.  I think we should just stop looking toward Skip and Monte and the other for clarifications, mainly because their answers sometimes contradict either the core rules, the errata, sometimes both, and sometimes with each other.  WHAT A MESS!Okay, here we go.  If Speed were truly +4, as someone else has already said, I think it would be best to allow the affects to stack with Haste.  As is, however, Speed should be a +1, and should NOT stack with Haste.The Iajutsu Master in Oriental Adventures has an ability called "One Strike, Two Cuts".  With that ability, the Iajutsu Master gets two attacks at the same attack bonus with a standard action.  Speed is very similar to "One Strike, Two Cuts", but is applied per weapon as opposed to being applied to the character wielding it.  When one attacks with a weapon with Speed, that character essentially gets two attacks at the highest bonus no matter what else is done in a round.  To use two weapons with Speed would require a full attack, but would give two extra attacks, one per weapon.  Speed is simply a limited form of Haste, so Haste would always override weapons of Speed much like casting Holy Sword on a weapon overrides all of its abilities.That should do it.  Just call me The Sage II or Anubis the Omnipotent. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Any questions?</blockquote>

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